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Tactics against Neutral Logistics

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Leysritt
The Last Remnant
#1 - 2011-10-12 07:01:56 UTC
I've been thinking about ways to mitigate neutral reps during station games.

1. 10 Artillery Maelstroms to alpha strike Logistic ships.
2. ECM ships like falcon to reduce the number of Reps.
3. Bump logistics away from station using a 100mn Microwarpdrive Machariel, Cynabal, etc.
4. Sensor Dampening ships like arazu.
5. Cheap Droneboats with enough ECM drones.
6. Bump target away from station and jettison an orca full of shuttles to trap the target and cause Lag.
7. Use a black ops ship as bait to get target away from station and have it jump before the targets can get close enough to scram.


Anyone got any ideas or tactics?
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2011-10-12 07:06:23 UTC
8. Get out of highsec and just shoot the damn things.
Leysritt
The Last Remnant
#3 - 2011-10-12 07:13:19 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
8. Get out of highsec and just shoot the damn things.


War Dec aggressors won't come out of highsec to fight us.

They fight with 20 neutral logistic ships repping them. They won't fight us if we bring 50 people.

We get lucky ganks here and there due to client error.



Got any cheap and dirty tactics to help us win and kill them?
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2011-10-12 07:15:20 UTC
Leysritt wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
8. Get out of highsec and just shoot the damn things.


War Dec aggressors won't come out of highsec to fight us.

They fight with 20 neutral logistic ships repping them. They won't fight us if we bring 50 people.

We get lucky ganks here and there due to client error.



Got any cheap and dirty tactics to help us win and kill them?


Like he said: stop living in high-security space, and this won't be a problem.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
#5 - 2011-10-12 07:18:05 UTC
Moved from "Ships and Modules".

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Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-10-12 10:21:12 UTC
Leysritt wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
8. Get out of highsec and just shoot the damn things.


War Dec aggressors won't come out of highsec to fight us.


Then get out of highsec and ignore them (and laugh at them).
Feligast
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-10-12 10:49:57 UTC
1. Make it 20, the things have damned small sig radii. Have a Huginn for webs to reduce transversal, too.
2. 1 Falcon with Minmatar jammers will lock 2-3 logis out of the fight permanently.
3. Good luck if the logi is moving at all.
4. Probably wouldn't be effective enoiugh, unless you had the combat ships 40-50k off station.
5. Could work, Falcon would be far more effective.
6. Petitionable as an exploit when you drop the shuttles. Don't do this.
7. Obvious bait is obvious, but if it works, bonus. If you can get the logi 20k off the station, with superior firepower, you win. Just primary that logi.
Tauren Tom
Order of the Silver Dragons
Silver Dragonz
#8 - 2011-10-12 13:00:25 UTC
Feligast wrote:

6. Petitionable as an exploit when you drop the shuttles. Don't do this.



^ Like he said, it is petitionable and will result in many tears on your end as you lose said orca pilot to CCP instated bans for intentional lag spike on servers >.>
In the grand scheme of things... You're all pubbies. So HTFU.   "It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses." - Elwood Blues
Via Shivon
#9 - 2011-10-12 13:39:00 UTC
1. Ignore those PussyWannabePvPlers
2. Get Alts in NPC Corp
3. Move to low/0.0
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2011-10-12 15:33:20 UTC
If you are going to stay in high-security space, then consider this link.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Proteus Maximus
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2011-10-12 19:20:43 UTC
Dock. Don't feed them a single ship. Roam low sec in a rifter for a week and get your pvp on or Play tanks for 7 days. After the first 3 or 4 days most of them loose interest and move on anyway. Best defense is to make them bored.

If Goons were around when God said, "Let there be light" they'd have called the light gay, and plunged the universe back into darkness by squatting their nutsacks over it.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-10-12 19:28:07 UTC
Proteus Maximus wrote:
Dock. Don't feed them a single ship. Roam low sec in a rifter for a week and get your pvp on or Play tanks for 7 days. After the first 3 or 4 days most of them loose interest and move on anyway. Best defense is to make them bored.

This right here. Unless you make it fun for the enemy, he will lose interest.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Feligast
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2011-10-12 19:32:31 UTC
Proteus Maximus wrote:
Dock. Don't feed them a single ship. Roam low sec in a rifter for a week and get your pvp on or Play tanks for 7 days. After the first 3 or 4 days most of them loose interest and move on anyway. Best defense is to make them bored.


QFT. The above post of mine is only if you're truly interested in fighting.
Party Lips
Calamitous-Intent
#14 - 2011-10-13 02:25:12 UTC
well if they wont give you any fun then don't waste your time on them. just go do something else like go to low sec FW or just pirate.
Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-10-13 05:59:59 UTC
Via Shivon wrote:
1. Ignore those PussyWannabePvPlers
2. Get Alts in NPC Corp
3. Move to low/0.0


4. Pack it into wormholes for a while to mix up some PvE with PvP.

Actually risky environments without the vast emptiness, hours on end of gate/station camps, flying around in a PvP fit ship just to find your target was hot-drop bait. Do the sites while there and see if anyone shows up while you're at it. Yes you'll PvP when it shows up but what shows will rarely be beyond a small teams ability to fight back against. You can make ISK -AND- PvP, just without the lulz PvP factor so prevalent in the other dangerous places.

Oh and nobody can just run a locator agent to find you then simply click the destination and pilot to it then setup out of a near by station. They actually have to go looking for the wormhole you happen to be in and there are no stations in such places to play those docking games at.
Zoe Alarhun
The Proactive Reappropriation Corporation
#16 - 2011-10-13 07:45:37 UTC
Go live in low sec. Shoot everything. No neutrals.

Low sec pvp is best pvp.
Tamiya Sarossa
Resistance is Character Forming
#17 - 2011-10-13 20:51:23 UTC
Since they can dock up at will, just use ECM. Lots and lots of ECM. If they're not fitting to have fun fights no reason you should either. Match races up to their logi, fit it to everything that has spare midslots, go to town. That many nuet logi probably means there aren't too many of them either, so ECM will allow your combat ships to disengage at will if you're good at communicating which tackle needs to be jammed off.

As people have said, denying fun is the best way to end a dec, and ECM is very good at denying fun.
DigDoug
Bare Minimum Bandits
I Showed You My Probes... Please Respond...
#18 - 2011-10-14 03:08:10 UTC
Leysritt wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
8. Get out of highsec and just shoot the damn things.


War Dec aggressors won't come out of highsec to fight us.



I lol'd and then I stopped caring. Someone hands you the actual best answer, and it's very hard to have something that can be quantified as 'the best' when what is being discussed is just opinion based, and you dismiss it by actually confirming the awesomeness of it.

They won't come out of highsec to fight us. That doesn't sound like much of a war to me then. What's the problem?
Ronin Kisho
Naflain Corp
#19 - 2011-11-03 01:42:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Ronin Kisho
Tamiya Sarossa wrote:
Since they can dock up at will, just use ECM. Lots and lots of ECM. If they're not fitting to have fun fights no reason you should either. Match races up to their logi, fit it to everything that has spare midslots, go to town. That many nuet logi probably means there aren't too many of them either, so ECM will allow your combat ships to disengage at will if you're good at communicating which tackle needs to be jammed off.

As people have said, denying fun is the best way to end a dec, and ECM is very good at denying fun.


problem with ecm and station campers is if they aggress ecm degresses them and they can dock

haha nvm i misread that..
Dynast
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#20 - 2011-11-03 04:22:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Dynast
Leysritt wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
8. Get out of highsec and just shoot the damn things.


War Dec aggressors won't come out of highsec to fight us.

They fight with 20 neutral logistic ships repping them. They won't fight us if we bring 50 people.

We get lucky ganks here and there due to client error.

Got any cheap and dirty tactics to help us win and kill them?

You already got the best advice there is to give. Ignore them and stay out of high-sec, and do your logistics with neutral alts. If people keep giving up kills, boot them for disregarding the order to stay out of high-sec.

The rules in empire space, as they stand, are designed to maximize the opportunities for faggotry and bad fights. The only way to win empire warfare is not to play.
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