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Can any frigate kill an AC thrasher?
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Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-08-11 02:20:21 UTC
I had a Firetail with a TD kill my Coercer earlier. I made some piloting mistakes, mainly not getting it turned away from him soon enough but I still think I would have had to have flown it absolutely perfectly in order to win that fight. Truthfully I do not enjoy flying the Coercer. Frigate fights are much more fun but the Thrasher is hugely popular in FW minor plexes so I've felt compelled to fly a destroyer in order to counter them.

So after losing this fight it's got me thinking "Is there any Amarr frigate that can do the same thing to the Thrasher?". I think maybe a Slicer might stand a chance but the huge sig bloom from the MWD scares me. I'd love to be able to punch above my weight in a frigate but I just can't devise a laser boat that could do it. Suggestions?
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#2 - 2012-08-11 02:26:56 UTC
A bunch of them can.

Just not in all situations.
Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-08-11 02:45:01 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
A bunch of them can.

Just not in all situations.


Guess I should have titled it "which frigates can kill an AC Thrasher".
Ravenclaw2kk
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-08-11 03:22:26 UTC
Merlin, and incursus have no problems taking on the thrasher
Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-08-11 03:31:38 UTC
Ravenclaw2kk wrote:
Merlin, and incursus have no problems taking on the thrasher


How do they survive the DPS?
Gorn Arming
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-08-11 03:54:18 UTC
Is this a serious question? Any kiting frigate can kill an AC thrasher. The artillery thrasher is the dominant fit.
Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-08-11 04:23:53 UTC
Gorn Arming wrote:
Is this a serious question? Any kiting frigate can kill an AC thrasher. The artillery thrasher is the dominant fit.


Yes it's a serious question. I stated earlier that I was concerned about kiting thrashers with a slicer because of sig bloom. Can a thrasher not hit at 20k with barrage? Or is its DPS too low that far out?
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#8 - 2012-08-11 04:38:56 UTC
I've done it with the Slicer and Punisher.

-Liang

Ed: But TD armor thrashers are super annoying.

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-08-11 05:04:42 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
I've done it with the Slicer and Punisher.

-Liang

Ed: But TD armor thrashers are super annoying.


Wouldn't a punisher have to brawl them? Seems like way too much DPS for it to handle.
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#10 - 2012-08-11 14:22:28 UTC
Koujjo Dian wrote:
Ravenclaw2kk wrote:
Merlin, and incursus have no problems taking on the thrasher


How do they survive the DPS?


They don't, this guy is just trolling :P
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#11 - 2012-08-11 18:07:56 UTC
A cookie cutter AC Thrasher with a MSE, Scram, and two gyro or equivalent (rigs), can put out about 440ish DPS with faction ammo. If you pull up a DPS graph on that though you'll see that most of the lethality is confined to 5km or less. At 10km you're doing a massive 70ish DPS. Barrage gets 330ish DPS - but again, at 10km you're doing about half of that. Add in the prevalence of TD on kiting ships out there and you can beat down a Thrasher at range.
Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-08-11 20:56:35 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
A cookie cutter AC Thrasher with a MSE, Scram, and two gyro or equivalent (rigs), can put out about 440ish DPS with faction ammo. If you pull up a DPS graph on that though you'll see that most of the lethality is confined to 5km or less. At 10km you're doing a massive 70ish DPS. Barrage gets 330ish DPS - but again, at 10km you're doing about half of that. Add in the prevalence of TD on kiting ships out there and you can beat down a Thrasher at range.


Yeah I've been doing my "EFT Warrioring" with EVE HQ. I don't see a way to display damage graphs with that program so I'm kinda fuzzy on the mechanics of ACs in falloff and really have no idea what kind of damage they're capable of at extreme ranges. Thanks for the info.
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#13 - 2012-08-11 21:10:30 UTC
Koujjo Dian wrote:
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
A cookie cutter AC Thrasher with a MSE, Scram, and two gyro or equivalent (rigs), can put out about 440ish DPS with faction ammo. If you pull up a DPS graph on that though you'll see that most of the lethality is confined to 5km or less. At 10km you're doing a massive 70ish DPS. Barrage gets 330ish DPS - but again, at 10km you're doing about half of that. Add in the prevalence of TD on kiting ships out there and you can beat down a Thrasher at range.


Yeah I've been doing my "EFT Warrioring" with EVE HQ. I don't see a way to display damage graphs with that program so I'm kinda fuzzy on the mechanics of ACs in falloff and really have no idea what kind of damage they're capable of at extreme ranges. Thanks for the info.


Just below the character and implant selection options there are 4 icons. One of them looks like an autocannon turret.

That is the damage analysis utility. It lets you pick you ships and fittings and pilots and put them in a combat simulation (range, speed, weapons etc) and it will give you the expected and theoretical max dps figures.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Reppyk
The Black Shell
#14 - 2012-08-11 22:05:05 UTC
TD Hookbill.

Kiting cormorant.

That's what I tried.

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Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-08-12 00:16:23 UTC
Do any of you know of some paper that can beat scissors? Or a rock that can beat paper?

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#16 - 2012-08-12 00:58:27 UTC
There are a few that will if you fit them specifically to take on a thrasher.
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#17 - 2012-08-12 00:58:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Kahega Amielden
Any sort of kiting fit that works at 14+ km would do it, and there are a few that fit that bill among the new Attack Frigates (notably Condor and Executioner). However, inside that range, no...unless the thrasher pilot had 200mm autos ~and~ you have a tracking disruptor.

A kiting fit that works inside scram range will never work unless the pilot is too dumb to load barrage.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#18 - 2012-08-12 01:28:57 UTC
Kahega Amielden wrote:
Any sort of kiting fit that works at 14+ km would do it, and there are a few that fit that bill among the new Attack Frigates (notably Condor and Executioner). However, inside that range, no...unless the thrasher pilot had 200mm autos ~and~ you have a tracking disruptor.

A kiting fit that works inside scram range will never work unless the pilot is too dumb to load barrage.


This man obviously flies frigates. :)

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings
#19 - 2012-08-12 04:08:57 UTC
Kahega Amielden wrote:
Any sort of kiting fit that works at 14+ km would do it, and there are a few that fit that bill among the new Attack Frigates (notably Condor and Executioner). However, inside that range, no...unless the thrasher pilot had 200mm autos ~and~ you have a tracking disruptor.

A kiting fit that works inside scram range will never work unless the pilot is too dumb to load barrage.


Let me tell you about TD hookbills. Barrage won't save you.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#20 - 2012-08-12 04:10:21 UTC
Milton Middleson wrote:
Kahega Amielden wrote:
Any sort of kiting fit that works at 14+ km would do it, and there are a few that fit that bill among the new Attack Frigates (notably Condor and Executioner). However, inside that range, no...unless the thrasher pilot had 200mm autos ~and~ you have a tracking disruptor.

A kiting fit that works inside scram range will never work unless the pilot is too dumb to load barrage.


Let me tell you about TD hookbills. Barrage won't save you.


I've seen Hahbs take on Thrashers in a Crucifier. It actually works.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
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