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Bizmarhk
Late night poets
Shadow Cartel
#1 - 2012-08-11 11:27:50 UTC
I've searched and found an answer on the EVE-wiki, but then again I hear people say conflicting things, and on top of that, maybe I read it wrong.

If I enter my corporation in FW, if we shoot people in the opposing faction (where it be in their own corporation, or the NPC militia corporation) will we lose standings towards the opposing faction. IE: If I am in Caldari FW for my corp, and we shoot some people in Gallente NPC FW corp, are we going to lose standing towards Gallente, forbidding us from entering their space should we quit FW at some time?

Thank you.
Dan Carter Murray
#2 - 2012-08-11 11:34:22 UTC
Bizmarhk wrote:
I've searched and found an answer on the EVE-wiki, but then again I hear people say conflicting things, and on top of that, maybe I read it wrong.

If I enter my corporation in FW, if we shoot people in the opposing faction (where it be in their own corporation, or the NPC militia corporation) will we lose standings towards the opposing faction. IE: If I am in Caldari FW for my corp, and we shoot some people in Gallente NPC FW corp, are we going to lose standing towards Gallente, forbidding us from entering their space should we quit FW at some time?

Thank you.



correct.
i think podding drops your standings more.
i think promotions drops your standings more.

You shouldn't be going to highsec once you join FW.

oh and if you join caldari your amarr standings will rise, and your minmatar standings will fall.

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Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-08-11 11:54:17 UTC
Podding people drops your standings vs the opposing NPC militia corp.

It's the promotions that will kill your standings long term every promotion you receive will raise your standings with the Caldari and Amarr and drop your standings with Gallente and Minmatar.
Bizmarhk
Late night poets
Shadow Cartel
#4 - 2012-08-11 12:18:48 UTC
Thanks for the responses guys, even more information than I expected.
Rengerel en Distel
#5 - 2012-08-11 13:53:56 UTC
You don't get derived modifications from promotions. You would gain with Caldari, but not Amarr, and would lose Gallante, but not Minmatar.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Vyktor Abyss
Abyss Research
#6 - 2012-08-11 16:25:00 UTC
Yep, if you're good enough (or long serving enough) at it like me you'll successfully exile yourself from half of highsec.
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
#7 - 2012-08-11 18:38:36 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
You don't get derived modifications from promotions. You would gain with Caldari, but not Amarr, and would lose Gallante, but not Minmatar.


You get derived modifications from promotions. You would gain with Caldari, and also Amarr, and would lose both Gallente and Minmatar.

http://i.imgur.com/ASlSq.png
Rengerel en Distel
#8 - 2012-08-11 19:04:04 UTC
Kuehnelt wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
You don't get derived modifications from promotions. You would gain with Caldari, but not Amarr, and would lose Gallante, but not Minmatar.


You get derived modifications from promotions. You would gain with Caldari, and also Amarr, and would lose both Gallente and Minmatar.

http://i.imgur.com/ASlSq.png


As of July, I wasn't getting derived modifications. If anyone else wants to chime in, that'd be great.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-08-11 19:48:43 UTC
You do get derived modifcations from promotions my other char had Caldari standing of 5.43 and I've done nothing other than the odd plex here and there and his Amarr promotions have now modified his Caldari to 6.82
Rengerel en Distel
#10 - 2012-08-11 20:37:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Rengerel en Distel
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mCKwDpflUjMUp45luVUH41sXoZ1u9oaACnXEQVdRkAQ/edit

Those are my 4 empire factions. Gained with Caldari, lost with Gallente. Had no change with Amarr or Minmatar.
Not sure if it changed with Inferno, but atleast for me that's the way it worked.

Edit: i do have an alt that was getting derived modifications in June, so not sure if something changed, or I'm bugged :P

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Peteris G
Ophidia in herba
#11 - 2012-08-11 20:58:32 UTC
There is derived modifications from promotion.
But You do not get derived modification for faction that has standing 5 or higher (in case of positive) or -5 or lower (in case of negative).
Rengerel en Distel
#12 - 2012-08-11 21:04:01 UTC
Peteris G wrote:
There is derived modifications from promotion.
But You do not get derived modification for faction that has standing 5 or higher (in case of positive) or -5 or lower (in case of negative).


That clears it up, thanks all :)

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Jakob Anedalle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-08-11 22:12:24 UTC
Hmm, so fight for the Gallente and lose access to Jita?
Bummer.

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Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation
#14 - 2012-08-12 05:39:48 UTC
Jakob Anedalle wrote:
Hmm, so fight for the Gallente and lose access to Jita?
Bummer.



Confirming alts are overrated and black/red frog is expensive. Otoh, we already have plenty of scrubs who don't know how to use freighter alts and/or courier contracts, so go join caldari.
Jakob Anedalle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-08-12 12:34:11 UTC
Lol. It's been a long time since you were a new pilot and the base cost of Red/Black Frog freight was a huge percentage of your total assets, isn't it?

Ah bittervets, they forget so quickly... but they get really pissed if their ideas of what should be done to encourage new players aren't taken as gospel.

No worries, there's always the trade hub that corresponds to whatever FW I end up finding, but it's sill a bummer - not a blocker, but a bummer.

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Pinky Feldman
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#16 - 2012-08-12 12:37:01 UTC
Lock out wrote:
Jakob Anedalle wrote:
Hmm, so fight for the Gallente and lose access to Jita?
Bummer.



Confirming alts are overrated and black/red frog is expensive. Otoh, we already have plenty of scrubs who don't know how to use freighter alts and/or courier contracts, so go join caldari.


Why do people still use black/red frog? Use PUSH, its way cheaper and faster.

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Pipa Porto
#17 - 2012-08-12 17:27:48 UTC
Jakob Anedalle wrote:
Lol. It's been a long time since you were a new pilot and the base cost of Red/Black Frog freight was a huge percentage of your total assets, isn't it?

Ah bittervets, they forget so quickly... but they get really pissed if their ideas of what should be done to encourage new players aren't taken as gospel.

No worries, there's always the trade hub that corresponds to whatever FW I end up finding, but it's sill a bummer - not a blocker, but a bummer.


If you're in FW, spin the button of a Major PLEX and you'll have plenty of ISK to pay for RF/Push in just 20min.

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