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New Retriever - AFK miner's dream? No, it's still mining and hardly worry-free ISK
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Idris Helion
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-08-10 16:09:05 UTC
Gianath wrote:
Oh, I agree... this is actually my second attempt at this type of mining experiment.

I have a pair of hulk pilots with nearly maxed out mining skills I let expire 2 years ago because it was a whole lot worse trying to mine from work with them. My existing Orca pilot also has nearly maxed mining/refining skills even though I purposefully didn't use them here to use a retriever.The higher your mining skills go, the roids pop even faster and you have to transfer your ore with even greater frequency. It seems like the more skilled you get, the less hassle a career should be, but with mining that is definitely *not* the case.

I'll just say again, since it's funny to me... the higher your mining skills get, the more work mining becomes!

But I may just re-try my experiment by focusing on Ice mining as others have suggested. That is a whole other ballgame though, since at least with ore mining I get to build fun new ships with my minerals. With ICE mining, I don't have a POS or anything so would actually have to worry about selling things to make it worth my time.


I'd say it's more a case that as you skill up in mining, you should be going into fleets because solo mining is a sucker's game, ISK-wise. The only way to get your ISK/hr up beyond a certain point is to mine in fleets and get various fleet boosts, while gaining from the fleet infrastructure (Orcas, haulers, etc.). Your mining ship's job is just to sit there and grind up rocks; you jet the ore and let someone else deal with it, then get in line at the end of the day for your payout. And if you ever plan to mine in lowsec or nullsec, it's pure madness to do this in any way other than a fleet (with armed escort, or in a friendly system).

I sometimes think that CCP doesn't get too worked up about mining bots and AFK players because it's really kind of a crummy ISK/hr career anyhow. Very few people are ever going to get rich busting rocks with lasers.
Rozpoo
Grumpy old Gamers
#22 - 2012-08-10 16:16:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Rozpoo
If you want to afk mine, you need to try ice mining instead of mining regular ore. With the increase in yield per laser that the barges got (non cov/hulk), you will pop asteroids faster than a cov/hulk and it will require much more time resetting lasers. At least with the hulk you are spreading the yield over 3 rocks instead of 2/1.

Ice mining is where you want to be for work afk mining. The rocks will rarely if ever pop, you can set it for 30-45 minutes and walk away. The amount of time you can afk will depend on your ice mining/barge skills. You should also find a system where you can just sell/refine the ore rather than try to haul it somewhere else. For me, with my mackinaw at 35k m3, I can bring in about 8.4 million worth of ice per load. A fully skilled retriever will do about 6.4 million per load.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#23 - 2012-08-10 17:49:59 UTC
To make it work with more AFK:

Mine ice.
Do it in a system with a station where you can refine and sell.
Use the orca to boost. 2 miners + Orca are better than 3 miners, assuming a skilled orca pilot and the right equipment. Also, only 2 mining vessels to deal with every 30 minutes.

On the half hour you transfer to the orca. On the hour you transfer to the orca and warp, dock, and dump ore from the orca.

However, the ease of this will most likely crash the ice product market. Happy times for POS operators, not so much for miners.

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Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#24 - 2012-08-10 18:18:56 UTC
Mindrago Aldent wrote:
I don't see why anyone wouldn't like the Retriever changes..I'm now making roughly 5m isk per load with no refining skills and simply selling the raw ores Big smile With my Covetor I was pulling around 2m isk per load and as a new miner i'm hoping my earnings go up as my skills level as well. I don't use any drones or mining rigs either just yet.


I have "perfect" miner skills and a 5% HX ( no michi though) and I pull in this with a Mack: 21-- per cyc of dense veld per 35K m3 = 6,800,000M ISK as Trit at 5.88 atm... not selling it, just hoarding it up for manufacturing.

but I have in since the patch put up something like 138M in Trit just solo belt mining... so not too bad, when I get serious with a fleet setup then will really see what is going on... the Ret/Macks are def a plus *looks at his striped out hulk up on block in the hangar...* and well have to do something with that I imagine...

I think though still have to run the numbers but I think a stationary orca with max boost and just using macks that run in their own ore to station (keeping the orca constantly boosting to mining members would out mine the same number of hulks... but not sure.
Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#25 - 2012-08-10 18:24:04 UTC
Andski wrote:
So you didn't use a survey scanner?


LOL... um... no... who would use that thing... ROCKS, (puts on his pirate cap)... Take everything, give nothing back... yarrrr *removes pirate hat*... hehe... that was funny... survey scanner... hehe... *cough cough*...
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#26 - 2012-08-10 20:01:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Kara Books
You make 2.5B isk per month with 3 acounts doing NOTHING and your complaining?

4 unlucky officer spawns to?

Makes it look like 3.5B isk is possible mining in cheep ships.

Dude 6 hours a day?

Some will do it 12 hours a day while at work that's 7B isk per month 3 accounts MINING
that's about as much as I make with 60 some odd billion in 2 trade hubs, very precise work and you complain?
Man if I ever pass by your system...
Gianath
Gallentian Legitimate Businessmen
#27 - 2012-08-10 20:51:33 UTC
Kara Books wrote:
You make 2.5B isk per month with 3 acounts doing NOTHING and your complaining?

4 unlucky officer spawns to?

Makes it look like 3.5B isk is possible mining in cheep ships.

Dude 6 hours a day?

Some will do it 12 hours a day while at work that's 7B isk per month 3 accounts MINING
that's about as much as I make with 60 some odd billion in 2 trade hubs, very precise work and you complain?
Man if I ever pass by your system...


I think that's a bot you are describing. Or somebody being forced to mine in a third-world prison for RMT. I have no interest in mining as an actual cash cow.

The spawns I mentioned were just the faction frigate variety that pop up in high sec belts. I probably gave too much info in my original post, but I just wanted to provide context so people could see the planning that went into my effort and why I said that AFK mining (at least for asteroids) was anything *but* AFK. There were a lot of people complaining that would be the case with the new mining barges, and I just wanted to test that out for myself.

I wasn't really jumping into the mining experience (again) for the money. My 3 characters already have a multi-billion ISK stockpile from exploring, wormholes and missions. I was mostly doing it so I had a low-maintenance way of adding something to my Eve experience/value while I was otherwise at work and only able to occasionally check in on things. Basically not having to switch over and click something every two minutes.

I'll give the Ice mining a try, as I think that will actually serve my newly defined purposes for filling that need.
Ezra Tair
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-08-10 22:16:55 UTC
In the interest in crashing ICE product pricing. Go afk mining ice. Takes about an hour to fill the hold, should be right up your alley.
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-08-10 22:41:16 UTC
Gianath wrote:

mining skills to the 3-4 range
and 2x mining laser upgrades and a damage control II in the lows.
only use strip miner I's
I focused on Kernite and Pyroxeres


What did you expect? You're mining with very low level mining skills, only using 2 MLUII, not using MSMII's / crystals, and mining the 3 lowest value ores in the game. All my miners generally make on average the last week about 32M / hour. So in a 32 total hours of mining that would be roughly 1B isk.

So AFK mining is very worth it, your just doing it totally wrong...
Invictra Atreides
Toward the Terra
#30 - 2012-08-10 23:57:29 UTC
I might add.

Some say that they can AFK lvl4 missions. The OP has 3 accounts and used 3 ships.

So lets say we can do lvl 4 missions with 3 ships. 2x Drake with semi skills and one salvager. This is NOT afk missioning.

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Dave stark
#31 - 2012-08-11 08:38:42 UTC
this thread really is like complaining about mission income when doing level 2 missions in a drake with only 1 high slot fitted...
Sigras
Conglomo
#32 - 2012-08-11 09:06:48 UTC
^^ lol

honestly, try ice mining with a mackinaw, my math says that a full ore hold is worth about 9 million isk and takes like 80 minutes to fill total prioritizing only EHP (so i dont get suicide ganked) and using ice miner 1s so every hour and a half, you have to dock, empty your hold, and go back to mining, which is about as AFK as you can get except station trading.

the beauty of it is that at 9 million isk per hold, one character makes more isk than you did with three. and its more AFK.

Even if ice drops back to where it was before all of the hulkageddon and bot nerfing, you'd still be making way more isk way more AFK.
Zera Kerrigan
The 420th Token
#33 - 2012-08-12 00:52:53 UTC
Alot of text and I see no point in this thread at all. That can't be just me right?
Miranda Starborn
Beehive Technologies
#34 - 2012-08-12 08:04:59 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
However, the ease of this will most likely crash the ice product market. Happy times for POS operators, not so much for miners.


Is there actually anyone that believes CCP was unable, say to dumb or stupid or naive, to foreseen this would be a consequence when lowering the skill requirements for pro mining and as well introduce a set of fairly decent gank safe afk mining barges?
Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-08-13 00:54:10 UTC
Station trading is the ultimate AFK. Get 3 chars, one in Jita/Amarr/Rens, on one account.

Profit.

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Tassian Marrix
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-08-13 02:22:31 UTC
Styth spiting wrote:
Gianath wrote:

mining skills to the 3-4 range
and 2x mining laser upgrades and a damage control II in the lows.
only use strip miner I's
I focused on Kernite and Pyroxeres


What did you expect? You're mining with very low level mining skills, only using 2 MLUII, not using MSMII's / crystals, and mining the 3 lowest value ores in the game. All my miners generally make on average the last week about 32M / hour. So in a 32 total hours of mining that would be roughly 1B isk.

So AFK mining is very worth it, your just doing it totally wrong...



What rock are you mining at 32m per hour? In a hulk i pull in ~1600 per laser (max skills 3% yield implant) This is like 20m an hour on veld.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-08-13 03:24:05 UTC
Tassian Marrix wrote:
Styth spiting wrote:
Gianath wrote:

mining skills to the 3-4 range
and 2x mining laser upgrades and a damage control II in the lows.
only use strip miner I's
I focused on Kernite and Pyroxeres


What did you expect? You're mining with very low level mining skills, only using 2 MLUII, not using MSMII's / crystals, and mining the 3 lowest value ores in the game. All my miners generally make on average the last week about 32M / hour. So in a 32 total hours of mining that would be roughly 1B isk.

So AFK mining is very worth it, your just doing it totally wrong...



What rock are you mining at 32m per hour? In a hulk i pull in ~1600 per laser (max skills 3% yield implant) This is like 20m an hour on veld.

You lack one very large thing, one thing that is necessary to mine in a hulk now. And it brings to light why your yeald is so low.

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Pipa Porto
#38 - 2012-08-13 03:52:13 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
You lack one very large thing, one thing that is necessary to mine in a hulk now. And it brings to light why your yeald is so low.


You might even say he's missing a whale of a thing...

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Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#39 - 2012-08-13 04:39:44 UTC
USE A SURVEY SCANNER!


Look at this site to pick best ore to mine at any given time:
http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html


Get basic skills up to L4

Try again and report your results. I think you will be shocked at the differance.
kdog666
Private Equity and Novel Industry Solutions
#40 - 2012-08-13 05:23:24 UTC
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
USE A SURVEY SCANNER!


Look at this site to pick best ore to mine at any given time:
http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html


Get basic skills up to L4

Try again and report your results. I think you will be shocked at the differance.


What a useful website... Tyvm. :D
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