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Orcas on lowsec gates....
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Zulol
N.F.H.P.
#21 - 2012-08-10 01:44:26 UTC
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
Lexmana wrote:
Idiotic mechanics but as I understand is perfectly legal. I think either the orca should inherit agression or not being able to scoop the ships but I think it might not be trivial to solve since the agression flag probably belongs to the player and not the ship.



Does the orca need a ship bay? We already have carriers for that. Simpler fix : remove orca ship bay (and corp hangar tbh)



You shut your hooker mouth.
Twisted Girl
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-08-10 17:59:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Twisted Girl
have been running into pirats doing this laterly and tho luckly they always seems to have too many ships to trow into the orcas. last time they had 7 or 8 t3s and only 2 orcas. obvious solution is to point everything and then hotdrop everything, either with titan bridge or supercaps to kill any stragglers off before it can deagress and jump out :P killing 1-2 t3s tops(the unlucky few that doesnt get room)
tho thats pretty much the bruteforce way of doing it, and pretty annoying.

besides that you gotto bait them off orcas, seen vindicators mwd bumping the orca off the gate thus forcing it to jump before it got out of gate jump range, also pretty annoying and most t3s will simply start deagressing when you do that.

you cant really treathen the orcas to jump out too ealie unless you use titan bridge and jump in 50 drakes or something, since fighterbombers wont hit it well. nor does fighters do enough alpha to volly it.

last option which only work in some scenarios is baiting the t3 off the gates, but normally they are really really risk adverse and refuses to move off the orca.

obvious solution to this is to increase the orca sig radious so we can 1 volly it with supercaps fighterbombers.
Karl Planck
Perkone
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-08-10 19:22:25 UTC
Twisted Girl wrote:
have been running into pirats doing this laterly and tho luckly they always seems to have too many ships to trow into the orcas. last time they had 7 or 8 t3s and only 2 orcas. obvious solution is to point everything and then hotdrop everything, either with titan bridge or supercaps to kill any stragglers off before it can deagress and jump out :P killing 1-2 t3s tops(the unlucky few that doesnt get room)
tho thats pretty much the bruteforce way of doing it, and pretty annoying.

besides that you gotto bait them off orcas, seen vindicators mwd bumping the orca off the gate thus forcing it to jump before it got out of gate jump range, also pretty annoying and most t3s will simply start deagressing when you do that.

you cant really treathen the orcas to jump out too ealie unless you use titan bridge and jump in 50 drakes or something, since fighterbombers wont hit it well. nor does fighters do enough alpha to volly it.

last option which only work in some scenarios is baiting the t3 off the gates, but normally they are really really risk adverse and refuses to move off the orca.

obvious solution to this is to increase the orca sig radious so we can 1 volly it with supercaps fighterbombers.


you are full of it, we all know you just camp the gate in titans to remove the problem

I has all the eve inactivity
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#24 - 2012-08-10 21:27:37 UTC
You can scoop a ship thats locked by other ships but you cant board one from your pod when its being locked by other ships.

:CCP:
Lord Vakos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-08-10 21:28:39 UTC
Good god. Shocked
Pipa Porto
#26 - 2012-08-11 00:29:39 UTC
Michael Harari wrote:
Karl Planck wrote:
Terminator56 wrote:
Yeah its a BS tactic, but hey nothing you can do about it except whine to CCP (which usually works quite well looking at previous nerfs). The other option is just to avoid amamake...


or you could learn how to deal with it, but you wont


You think that getting enough tornados to suicide gank a 300k ehp orca in highsec is a fair thing to make people to do kill you?


Bait the fight off of the gate.

Tah Dah. No Tornados needed.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
nat longshot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-08-11 05:56:43 UTC
sry but that needs to be fix you should not bealbe to dock a ship in a orca under fire if they are lock and have been shoting. just like you cant dock for minute if you were on station.

It a smooth trick yes but a cheap one.

 [13:12:18] CCP Punkturis nat longshot you're a cutie.. OH YAH I WIN!!
Pipa Porto
#28 - 2012-08-11 07:07:30 UTC
nat longshot wrote:
sry but that needs to be fix you should not bealbe to dock a ship in a orca under fire if they are lock and have been shoting. just like you cant dock for minute if you were on station.

It a smooth trick yes but a cheap one.


But how will miners store the targeted Hulk to avoid getting ganked?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
eddie valvetino
Bi-Polar Bears
#29 - 2012-08-11 07:12:35 UTC
Michael Harari wrote:
Karl Planck wrote:
Terminator56 wrote:
Yeah its a BS tactic, but hey nothing you can do about it except whine to CCP (which usually works quite well looking at previous nerfs). The other option is just to avoid amamake...


or you could learn how to deal with it, but you wont


You think that getting enough tornados to suicide gank a 300k ehp orca in highsec is a fair thing to make people to do kill you?


Believe

With enough Alpha Machs and a bridge, you can get that orca before it jumps.

simples
Lexmana
#30 - 2012-08-11 08:16:00 UTC
eddie valvetino wrote:
Michael Harari wrote:
Karl Planck wrote:
Terminator56 wrote:
Yeah its a BS tactic, but hey nothing you can do about it except whine to CCP (which usually works quite well looking at previous nerfs). The other option is just to avoid amamake...


or you could learn how to deal with it, but you wont


You think that getting enough tornados to suicide gank a 300k ehp orca in highsec is a fair thing to make people to do kill you?


Believe

With enough Alpha Machs and a bridge, you can get that orca before it jumps.

simples


I like it when people call it simples when you need a Titan and 20 pirate battle ship to counter one pirate and his alt in an Orca.
Pipa Porto
#31 - 2012-08-11 20:36:08 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
I like it when people call it simples when you need a Titan and 20 pirate battle ship to counter one pirate and his alt in an Orca.


Or,

Pipa Porto wrote:
Bait the fight off of the gate.

Tah Dah. No Tornados needed.


Same as how to deal with station games. Orcas on HS gates is just an example of people figuring out how to run station games on a gate.

In this case, all you have to do is bait them out of the 2500m docking range of the Orca, then web them down.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Shukuzen Kiraa
Wildlands Tactical Response Unit
Great Wildlands Conservation Society
#32 - 2012-08-11 21:57:02 UTC
Orca should pick up aggression/aggro as soon as he gets involved so it prevents him from just jumping through the gate.
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