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Is 0.0 all about RMT?

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Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
#41 - 2011-10-12 18:53:38 UTC
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Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
#42 - 2011-10-12 18:54:30 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Or they might be willing to pay a subscription fee just to play the game because they like it without regard to your personal gripes about null sec space politics in EVE Online a serious business game about spaceships. I mean, someone out there has to be paying CCP real money for subscriptions. I know that none of my squad mates actually pay real money for EVE, and I doubt many members of my corporation or alliance do either.


Oh I use Plex bought with isk for my sub too, but I am sure that new players pay cash for their sub and why they would use it to support the theives and scammers of zero can only be due to ignorance on their part.
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
#43 - 2011-10-12 18:55:23 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
The PLEX gotta come from somewhere, may as well be your bitter ass.

I'm not bitter. i'm just opposed to noob slavery.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#44 - 2011-10-12 18:57:24 UTC
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
The PLEX gotta come from somewhere, may as well be your bitter ass.

I'm not bitter. i'm just opposed to noob slavery.

And yet you perpetrate it by paying for your account with PLEX.
I am at least honest with my indifference to "noob slavery".

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#45 - 2011-10-12 18:58:20 UTC
Kitty McKitty wrote:
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Are you hypothetically alleging that investigating the hypothetical Ibertizzle's ratting behavior would hypothetically cause that behavior to change?

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
#46 - 2011-10-12 18:59:41 UTC
Proteus Maximus wrote:
Quote:
Now that you understand your role as "Peasant Farmer and Cannon Fodder" for your Rulers... aren't you really enthusiastic to go join?


Not in a million fking years.


Now there... You see? This gentleman has BALLS! He is clearly educated and WILL NOT SUBMIT.

VICTORY! One pilot at a time. Maybe in time he and others will organize and wipe the oppressing Oligarchs out of zero.

Anyway I'll keep posting for it.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#47 - 2011-10-12 19:01:47 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
If you want to see the magnitude of the problem, google "eve isk". And thats just the public side. Members of the same corp, alliance or coalition can do RMT without a web site or suspicious isk transfers, as alliance members help each other out with isk or item transfers all the time. How can CCP tell if real money is also transferred?

It sounds to me like your issue is with friends helping each other. I gave my buddy Chris something like 5 billion ISK when I sponsored him into Goonfleet. Did that have anything to do with the fact that he bought me lunch that week? No. It had everything to do with the fact that he's my friend, and I was trying to see to it that he could have fun exploring the game without having to worry about having enough space money to try out this or that thing. Amazingly this sort of behavior is common among friends, among corporation members, among alliance members, and especially among groups that exist outside of the game (such as Goonfleet, Merch Industrial, Dreddit, and so on).

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#48 - 2011-10-12 19:01:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyris Nairn
duplicate post we were ganked

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#49 - 2011-10-12 19:02:21 UTC
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Proteus Maximus wrote:
Quote:
Now that you understand your role as "Peasant Farmer and Cannon Fodder" for your Rulers... aren't you really enthusiastic to go join?


Not in a million fking years.


Now there... You see? This gentleman has BALLS! He is clearly educated and WILL NOT SUBMIT.

VICTORY! One pilot at a time. Maybe in time he and others will organize and wipe the oppressing Oligarchs out of zero.

Anyway I'll keep posting for it.

How can he organize and wipe us out if he can't even be bothered to log into the game?

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Sebero Sinak
Doomheim
#50 - 2011-10-12 19:02:53 UTC
I believe the OP was trolling to keep the botting issue in the headlines.

I have personally hunted down over 12 bots/isk farmers and CCP has given them at least temporary bans.

I stopped hunting them because of the great effort involved in documenting a good case to present to CCP.

Bots are everywhere , one of the favored methods for the RMT's and botters is highsec transportation lvl 4s - usually run in Bestower's.

First and foremost, it breaks the gameplay.

The most popular way for RMT sellers to get their hands on the product that they’re peddling is to use bots to farm or abuse exploits. Neither is a case of the game being played as intended.

RMT also hurts the in-game economy. By bringing in extra resources and currency, it simply changes the relative scarcity of items, and thus alters their price.

Then there’s the fact that RMT dealers also often engage in illegal activities including credit card fraud and hacking.

Finally, and possibly most surprising at least from a player’s point of view is the fact that RMT dealers actually put a noticeable strain on a game’s resources and systems both human (Customer Support) and hardware.

There is only one sure way to rid a game of RMT and bots - don't buy stuff from them.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#51 - 2011-10-12 19:03:18 UTC
Baver Juice wrote:
Is it true that a handful of people, through their alliances, control 50% of null sec space, and are using this position to engage in RMT?



All of you fools are posting in a thread created by a 2 day old toon, asking an obvious troll baiting question.


One of you is his alt.
Everyone else... you should be proud of your intellect Lol

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Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
#52 - 2011-10-12 19:04:53 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Kitty McKitty wrote:
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Are you hypothetically alleging that investigating the hypothetical Ibertizzle's ratting behavior would hypothetically cause that behavior to change?

Nothing hypothetical about it. Jumping into system (to investigate) WOULD cause their behaviour to change to logoffski.

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#53 - 2011-10-12 19:06:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyris Nairn
Sebero Sinak wrote:
I believe the OP was trolling to keep the botting issue in the headlines.

I have personally hunted down over 12 bots/isk farmers and CCP has given them at least temporary bans.

I stopped hunting them because of the great effort involved in documenting a good case to present to CCP.

Bots are everywhere , one of the favored methods for the RMT's and botters is highsec transportation lvl 4s - usually run in Bestower's.

First and foremost, it breaks the gameplay.

The most popular way for RMT sellers to get their hands on the product that they’re peddling is to use bots to farm or abuse exploits. Neither is a case of the game being played as intended.

RMT also hurts the in-game economy. By bringing in extra resources and currency, it simply changes the relative scarcity of items, and thus alters their price.

Then there’s the fact that RMT dealers also often engage in illegal activities including credit card fraud and hacking.

Finally, and possibly most surprising at least from a player’s point of view is the fact that RMT dealers actually put a noticeable strain on a game’s resources and systems both human (Customer Support) and hardware.

There is only one sure way to rid a game of RMT and bots - don't buy stuff from them.


I do not support the use of bots, but the arguments you make against them are rubbish.

A thing that Person A has does not invalidate the effort of Person B just because Person B does not have it, when it is entirely possible for Person B to acquire it. In this case, the "thing" is a bot. In order for RMT and botting to hurt the economy, there would have to be a monopoly by Person A or Group A on the RMT behavior or botting software. I am going to assume that this is not the case. So long as you, me, or anyone else so inclined can pick up a bot or engage in RMT then there exists no advantage or upset in favor of those who already do bot or RMT, except the advantage we give them by not participating. You are trying to white-knight the issue because it's the "good guy" thing to do, while framing your arguments in term of pragmatism that simply does not exist.

e: Botting is against the EULA and so is RMT. Do not engage in either.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
#54 - 2011-10-12 19:10:24 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Sebero Sinak wrote:
I believe the OP was trolling to keep the botting issue in the headlines.

I have personally hunted down over 12 bots/isk farmers and CCP has given them at least temporary bans.

I stopped hunting them because of the great effort involved in documenting a good case to present to CCP.

Bots are everywhere , one of the favored methods for the RMT's and botters is highsec transportation lvl 4s - usually run in Bestower's.

First and foremost, it breaks the gameplay.

The most popular way for RMT sellers to get their hands on the product that they’re peddling is to use bots to farm or abuse exploits. Neither is a case of the game being played as intended.

RMT also hurts the in-game economy. By bringing in extra resources and currency, it simply changes the relative scarcity of items, and thus alters their price.

Then there’s the fact that RMT dealers also often engage in illegal activities including credit card fraud and hacking.

Finally, and possibly most surprising at least from a player’s point of view is the fact that RMT dealers actually put a noticeable strain on a game’s resources and systems both human (Customer Support) and hardware.

There is only one sure way to rid a game of RMT and bots - don't buy stuff from them.


I do not support the use of bots, but the arguments you make against them are rubbish.

A thing that Person A has does not invalidate the effort of Person B just because Person B does not have it, when it is entirely possible for Person B to acquire it. In this case, the "thing" is a bot. In order for RMT and botting to hurt the economy, there would have to be a monopoly by Person A or Group A on the RMT behavior or botting software. I am going to assume that this is not the case. So long as you, me, or anyone else so inclined can pick up a bot or engage in RMT then there exists no advantage or upset in favor of those who already do bot or RMT, except the advantage we give them by not participating. You are trying to white-knight the issue because it's the "good guy" thing to do, while framing your arguments in term of pragmatism that simply does not exist.


as if your counter arguement to that gents arguement isn't "full of rubbish" (as you put it). Really, anyone who can't see that botting distorts a game is pretty much an idiot.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#55 - 2011-10-12 19:13:54 UTC
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Sebero Sinak wrote:
I believe the OP was trolling to keep the botting issue in the headlines.

I have personally hunted down over 12 bots/isk farmers and CCP has given them at least temporary bans.

I stopped hunting them because of the great effort involved in documenting a good case to present to CCP.

Bots are everywhere , one of the favored methods for the RMT's and botters is highsec transportation lvl 4s - usually run in Bestower's.

First and foremost, it breaks the gameplay.

The most popular way for RMT sellers to get their hands on the product that they’re peddling is to use bots to farm or abuse exploits. Neither is a case of the game being played as intended.

RMT also hurts the in-game economy. By bringing in extra resources and currency, it simply changes the relative scarcity of items, and thus alters their price.

Then there’s the fact that RMT dealers also often engage in illegal activities including credit card fraud and hacking.

Finally, and possibly most surprising at least from a player’s point of view is the fact that RMT dealers actually put a noticeable strain on a game’s resources and systems both human (Customer Support) and hardware.

There is only one sure way to rid a game of RMT and bots - don't buy stuff from them.


I do not support the use of bots, but the arguments you make against them are rubbish.

A thing that Person A has does not invalidate the effort of Person B just because Person B does not have it, when it is entirely possible for Person B to acquire it. In this case, the "thing" is a bot. In order for RMT and botting to hurt the economy, there would have to be a monopoly by Person A or Group A on the RMT behavior or botting software. I am going to assume that this is not the case. So long as you, me, or anyone else so inclined can pick up a bot or engage in RMT then there exists no advantage or upset in favor of those who already do bot or RMT, except the advantage we give them by not participating. You are trying to white-knight the issue because it's the "good guy" thing to do, while framing your arguments in term of pragmatism that simply does not exist.


as if your counter arguement to that gents arguement isn't "full of rubbish" (as you put it). Really, anyone who can't see that botting distorts a game is pretty much an idiot.

I question the integrity of anyone electing to use an ad hominem argument rather than one based on merits.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2011-10-12 19:14:17 UTC
botting is not essentially equal to RMT

Just thought i would write it there.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#57 - 2011-10-12 19:14:49 UTC
Why would there be goon damage control in an RMT thread? That makes no sense at all...


UNLESS...

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
#58 - 2011-10-12 19:17:21 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Why would there be goon damage control in an RMT thread? That makes no sense at all...


UNLESS...


Yes... they have small penises.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#59 - 2011-10-12 19:22:50 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Why would there be goon damage control in an RMT thread? That makes no sense at all...


UNLESS...

Cheese it, he's onto us!

e: This isn't damage control; this is me being bored in lecture.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#60 - 2011-10-12 19:22:57 UTC
CCP Zymurgist wrote:
RMT, Real Money Trading, is very much against the EULA. If you suspect anyone of participating in these activities please file a petition and report them to the GMs with any details you have.


Behind that automated response.. i feel your pain.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.