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Is 0.0 all about RMT?

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#21 - 2011-10-12 18:08:29 UTC
Kitty McKitty wrote:
CCP Zymurgist wrote:
RMT, Real Money Trading, is very much against the EULA. If you suspect anyone of participating in these activities please file a petition and report them to the GMs with any details you have.


Please investigate everyone in 0.0, you can't really miss by picking at random to be honest, but you wont do that since you want the subs.

I have you know that hypothetical corporation member Ibertizzle is just a very keen ratter and that there is nothing suspect about him at all.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#22 - 2011-10-12 18:09:11 UTC
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Baver Juice wrote:
Is it true that a handful of people, through their alliances, control 50% of null sec space, and are using this position to engage in RMT?



Yes

and to add insult to injury, YOU as the new recruit assume the role of a small cog in the machine that does this (and to a large extent you fund yourself in this role). Promises of ship replacement programs are hit and miss and all you really receive in return is a hall pass to get you through alliance gate camps.

Now that you understand your role as "Peasant Farmer and Cannon Fodder" for your Rulers... aren't you really enthusiastic to go join?

This is true of all feudal systems, including those found in MMO guilds. This is not new news.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Gogurt
#23 - 2011-10-12 18:09:43 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Kitty McKitty wrote:
CCP Zymurgist wrote:
RMT, Real Money Trading, is very much against the EULA. If you suspect anyone of participating in these activities please file a petition and report them to the GMs with any details you have.


Please investigate everyone in 0.0, you can't really miss by picking at random to be honest, but you wont do that since you want the subs.

I have you know that hypothetical corporation member Ibertizzle is just a very keen ratter and that there is nothing suspect about him at all.



What's sad is that nothing is going to happen to him.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2011-10-12 18:12:28 UTC
Why should anything happen to him? First of all, he is a hypothetical person; secondly, he is hypothetically doing nothing wrong.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Gogurt
#25 - 2011-10-12 18:14:30 UTC


he's hypothetically botting for your masters
Crias Taylor
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2011-10-12 18:15:00 UTC
I do not approve of Rabid Monkey Trade.
Tetragammatron Prime
Pink Sockers
#27 - 2011-10-12 18:16:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Tetragammatron Prime
Every 0.0 alliance I've been in had people selling isk for cash; either openly on alliance forums or through word of mouth. There isn't much CCP can do about it, how can they prove that 10bil your corp mate gave you wasn't for service performed in game or a split of moon goo profits etc?

Much easier for them to catch out the botters who are generating the isk. I reported a bunch of bots recently from Red Citizens and the dudes haven't been on for a few days now so I hope that they got atleast a temp ban (I really thought nothing would happen).
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#28 - 2011-10-12 18:16:48 UTC
Gogurt wrote:


he's hypothetically botting for your masters

That's your hypothesis. I think he's hypothetically just very keen at ratting and very highly motivated.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#29 - 2011-10-12 18:17:59 UTC
Tetragammatron Prime wrote:
Every 0.0 alliance I've been in had people selling isk for cash; either openly on alliance forums or through word of mouth.

You just admitted to being an accomplice to violating the EULA and then covering it up to avoid action.

I am petitioning you right now.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Gogurt
#30 - 2011-10-12 18:19:27 UTC
Yeah it really doesn't matter, he might as well be a CCP employee anyway, he has immunity
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2011-10-12 18:20:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Florestan Bronstein
Gogurt wrote:


he's hypothetically botting for your masters

train a few additional levels in reading comprehension

There is a hypothetical player - Ibertizzle - who is a very keen ratter and may not reply to conversation requests for a few hours (but who probably does nothing wrong).

There may or may not be a real player (obviously not named Ibertizzle) who may have served as inspiration for this hypothetical character (but who can say for sure?) and this real player may or may not run bots.

You are just trying to confuse these two characters...
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
#32 - 2011-10-12 18:20:29 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Baver Juice wrote:
Is it true that a handful of people, through their alliances, control 50% of null sec space, and are using this position to engage in RMT?



Yes

and to add insult to injury, YOU as the new recruit assume the role of a small cog in the machine that does this (and to a large extent you fund yourself in this role). Promises of ship replacement programs are hit and miss and all you really receive in return is a hall pass to get you through alliance gate camps.

Now that you understand your role as "Peasant Farmer and Cannon Fodder" for your Rulers... aren't you really enthusiastic to go join?

This is true of all feudal systems, including those found in MMO guilds. This is not new news.


Yes, but why any sane person would PAY a subscription in order to perform the role of a SERF is still a mystery.

I chalk it up to ignorance about the game mechanics. That's why I keep posting to educate the masses.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#33 - 2011-10-12 18:22:26 UTC
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Baver Juice wrote:
Is it true that a handful of people, through their alliances, control 50% of null sec space, and are using this position to engage in RMT?



Yes

and to add insult to injury, YOU as the new recruit assume the role of a small cog in the machine that does this (and to a large extent you fund yourself in this role). Promises of ship replacement programs are hit and miss and all you really receive in return is a hall pass to get you through alliance gate camps.

Now that you understand your role as "Peasant Farmer and Cannon Fodder" for your Rulers... aren't you really enthusiastic to go join?

This is true of all feudal systems, including those found in MMO guilds. This is not new news.


Yes, but why any sane person would PAY a subscription in order to perform the role of a SERF is still a mystery.

I chalk it up to ignorance about the game mechanics. That's why I keep posting to educate the masses.

If it were a mystery then I suspect that every MMO ever wouldn't have simultaneously figured out how to use it to generate money for its developers.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Gogurt
#34 - 2011-10-12 18:22:53 UTC
Florestan Bronstein wrote:
Gogurt wrote:


he's hypothetically botting for your masters

train a few additional levels in reading comprehension

There is a hypothetical player - Ibertizzle - who is a very keen ratter and may not reply to conversation requests for a few hours (but who probably does nothing wrong).

There may or may not be a real player (obviously not named Ibertizzle) who may have served as inspiration for this hypothetical character (but who can say for sure?) and this real player may or may not run bots.

You are just trying to confuse these two characters...


No ****, we're speaking hypothetically, that's why I used the word hypothetically
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#35 - 2011-10-12 18:24:15 UTC
Florestan Bronstein wrote:
Gogurt wrote:


he's hypothetically botting for your masters

train a few additional levels in reading comprehension

There is a hypothetical player - Ibertizzle - who is a very keen ratter and may not reply to conversation requests for a few hours (but who probably does nothing wrong).

There may or may not be a real player (obviously not named Ibertizzle) who may have served as inspiration for this hypothetical character (but who can say for sure?) and this real player may or may not run bots.

You are just trying to confuse these two characters...

I think it's not so much a deliberate effort to confuse the two characters, the hypothetical Ibertizzle and the unnamed factual character whom may or may not even exist, inasmuch as it is simply a failure in our public schools to educate the children with regards to rhetoric and logic. Gotta focus on passing those standardized tests, useful life skills be damned!

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
#36 - 2011-10-12 18:30:37 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Baver Juice wrote:
Is it true that a handful of people, through their alliances, control 50% of null sec space, and are using this position to engage in RMT?



Yes

and to add insult to injury, YOU as the new recruit assume the role of a small cog in the machine that does this (and to a large extent you fund yourself in this role). Promises of ship replacement programs are hit and miss and all you really receive in return is a hall pass to get you through alliance gate camps.

Now that you understand your role as "Peasant Farmer and Cannon Fodder" for your Rulers... aren't you really enthusiastic to go join?

This is true of all feudal systems, including those found in MMO guilds. This is not new news.


Yes, but why any sane person would PAY a subscription in order to perform the role of a SERF is still a mystery.

I chalk it up to ignorance about the game mechanics. That's why I keep posting to educate the masses.

If it were a mystery then I suspect that every MMO ever wouldn't have simultaneously figured out how to use it to generate money for its developers.



You just misdirected the line of discussion to the interests of the developers... but we were discussing the SUBSCRIBERS' interests.. I restate that why a SUBSCRIBER would rationally pay to perform the role of SERF is a mystery. I also restate that I believe it is only because the new subscriber is unaware of the real power structure in zero that he does this. He does not at first recognize his serfdom.

Once the general population of EVE understands this, they might very well be willing to pay a subscription just for the chance to unify and sweep the trash out of zero.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#37 - 2011-10-12 18:40:33 UTC
Or they might be willing to pay a subscription fee just to play the game because they like it without regard to your personal gripes about null sec space politics in EVE Online a serious business game about spaceships. I mean, someone out there has to be paying CCP real money for subscriptions. I know that none of my squad mates actually pay real money for EVE, and I doubt many members of my corporation or alliance do either.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#38 - 2011-10-12 18:40:56 UTC
The PLEX gotta come from somewhere, may as well be your bitter ass.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#39 - 2011-10-12 18:47:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Athena
If you want to see the magnitude of the problem, google "eve isk". And thats just the public side. Members of the same corp, alliance or coalition can do RMT without a web site or suspicious isk transfers, as alliance members help each other out with isk or item transfers all the time. How can CCP tell if real money is also transferred?

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Caldari State
#40 - 2011-10-12 18:49:17 UTC
Quote:
Now that you understand your role as "Peasant Farmer and Cannon Fodder" for your Rulers... aren't you really enthusiastic to go join?


Not in a million fking years.

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