EVE General Discussion

So explain how this would work in sov controlled nul sec? Would people running legitimate anoms and sites have to fly their tags to npc held space? Or would this be a new station service for tag collection? That would be a joy, having each alliance transfer sovs on their stations just to add new service mods.

Also, given that the best way to gain faction standings is with lvl 4 missions, anyone wanting to gain enough standings to anchor a pos would be forced to mission in low sec. Nice way to force people to play your way. And what of the epic arcs? Would you force them to be fully low sec oriented? (save for the sister's arc)

Seems to me that this is a poorly thought out idea that doesn't take into consideration all factors these changes would create. It's just a knee jerk reaction, good for starting discussions, but failing to actually take into account any true ramifications if the,proposal.

Lady,

this is obviously a discussion-starter, not a complete suggestion essay which would belong to another section on the forum.

In my personal experience, looting and salvaging is not a terrible chore, neither is hauling the goods to stations to sell- this is what wormhole inhabitants do. Instead, it's an activity that promotes teamwork and sharing responsibilities in a corp. An op always has a dedicated salvager in a specialized ship.

And the important part is really teamwork. Trust in your fleet/corpmates, improving as an entity are the best parts of MMOs. So why not invite someone to loot and salvage with you? Fly with buddies to lowsec to run the L4s, someone keeping guard, while a small gang pops the rats, someone salvages afterwards? Even with current mechanics, co-operation like this makes PVE fun. Couple this with vastly improved rat AI, and we have something that would promote some nice brosefing in New Eden. Why not form a larger group, and assume control of a small pocket of lowsec? Keep the baddies out while you run the missions, and suddenly content has been created for not only you, but to the baddies as well.

As what comes to "destroying hisec" and "forcing people to play my way" BS, whatever changes made to hisec as an endless source of effort-free, anti-social income are good changes. We need to work towards solutions that encourage people to team up, and engage in all the fun that can be had outside the starter zone- to experience EVE at it's best. All these changes are meaningless as long as hisec offers a way to achieve the same, risk-free and bot-like.

And obviously converting bounties to loot would affect all areas outside wormholes.

Some are against, some for, but discussion is always good. Trolls need to step up their game, at least make an effort to be funny. Maybe something comes out of this, but now I'm opening a beer and have an EVE-free festival weekend. Open your minds and chill :)

Team work from NPC corps? You do realise that NPC corps are made up from all sorts of characters. We have alts from pirate corps for example, now how do you trust those? Or are you proposing to get rid of all NPC corps and force people into player corps?

Team work is limited in high-sec it's not like low-sec or 0.0 where most people are in player corps. Just because someone is in an NPC corp that does not make them anti-social by default.

You are wrong sir. High Sec Ninjas is low risk because:

1. Off-grid gang-boosters
2. Neutral remote repairs
3. Orca

Carebear or no carebear, if I ninja-loot you and you shoot my merlin, expect me back 30 seconds, flying ganka-hurricane, gang-boosted and perma-remote-repaired.

And please go ahead and shoot the repper, please please do... now repper comes in yet another ganka-hurricane. Or better yet, a falcon, for the lulz.... or neut-domi.

You have no way of winning unless you bring friends. There's no "greater rewards" when everybody stops mission running to come save your arse. It will turn high-sec into yet another blob fest where the ones with most friends win. Meaning, unless you are goon or test, you won't be able to mission run. Bad idea, bad bad bad.

I know I don't. That's too much work for too little reward. That's, what, four accounts I'd need to be controlling for a pittance in loot? Might as well blitz L4s instead.

@Andsky: No serious ninja-looting gang will ninja-loot without at least 2 of those 2. So I would say, ALL?

@Karl: Little reward? You think we go after the loot don't you? Nope, we go after *you* and your faction/officer fit.

I could provide killboard links to show you *exactly* how often this happens, how many people do it and how much ISK you get out of it. But I suggest you just browse C&P more often.

And before anybody mentions that blizting eliminates ninja-looting... lol, we ninja-loot the damsel... now what u gonna do? Come on bear.. shoot me, just once... please shoot... pleeeeeseeee

It could be EA?

Remove bounties all together and switch to a drop system of initially useless crap that can be converted into usable goods, tags is a very limited scope. Make people work for isk not kill rat x and get x amount. Also use a limited version of sleeper AI on ALL rats, to make pve not crap. Remove static missions and make them randomly generated, with more interaction and less focus on quantity of rats but quality and strategy.

So, if you are not goon or test you can't use the market? LOL

This thread is just trolls... they can't be serious.