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Are all instances of macros/programmable buttons prohibited?
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Forum Harlot
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-08-10 07:19:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Forum Harlot
I have a new keyboard with so-called "macro buttons", "programmable buttons" and/or "G-keys", which allows me to, for example, activate multiple buttons with one keypress. For instance, I can put my active modules on the top rack of my control UI (F1, F2...) and bind G1 to activate F1-F3 on press. This doesn't really give me any advantage or does it faster than if I manually pressed the buttons, however, it is undeniably convenient.

eula wrote:
You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.


If I were to utilize this functionality I would technically be using a third-party software (or, strictly speaking, firmware), but not in a way which seems prohibited in the EULA. So, in order to not run the risk of being banned by a bot detection system or some such, I'm wondering whether or not it's ok to use macros as stated above? Can I instead of manually activating, say, F1-F4 bind this action to G7 without worry, or should I not use this?
Pipa Porto
#2 - 2012-08-10 07:29:03 UTC
Should be covered under the same whitelist provision as ISBoxer is. So long as you're the one pushing a button, CCP's not worried about how many buttons that press pushes in EVE.

But file a petition to be sure.

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-RubyPorto
TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-08-10 07:30:50 UTC
Forum Harlot wrote:

If I were to utilize this functionality I would technically be using a third-party software (or, strictly speaking, firmware),


When you say G keys I'm guessing you're running logitech... unless they've changed their keyboards I'm pretty sure they're software driven and not firmware. ie, they don't work without the software installed and running.

Anyway, doesn't answer it, I think I've seen this type of question before, but to be safe your best bet would be to file a petition and ask there. Also gives you a paper trail (so to speak) should anything go wrong.

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Forum Harlot
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-08-10 07:37:03 UTC
I'll probably file a petition if this thread doesn't recieve any attention from someone who can shed some light over the matter. Just thought it'd be of public interest to have this clarified.

TheSkeptic wrote:

When you say G keys I'm guessing you're running logitech... unless they've changed their keyboards I'm pretty sure they're software driven and not firmware. ie, they don't work without the software installed and running.


Nope, it's a Corsair K90.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-08-10 07:53:11 UTC
Forum Harlot wrote:
Corsair K90.


Bit off-topic, but how do you like it? I'm considering taking the dive and buying one.

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Forum Harlot
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-08-10 08:05:34 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Forum Harlot wrote:
Corsair K90.


Bit off-topic, but how do you like it? I'm considering taking the dive and buying one.


It takes some getting used to for typing. I had a Das Keyboard before, so the switch to the linear MX red keys was substantial. But for gaming, though? It's excellent. The buttons are incredibly smooth (45g of actuation force needed will do that, I guess), so it's very nice for fluent movements and very easy on the joints in your hands. I suppose I'll consider this an advantage when typing, too, when I get used to it.

The only considerable downside is the membrane function keys (Along with the [Print screen]-[Page Down] block, but that's not as noticeable). Especially for EVE I'd like it if these were mechanical too.

Outside of that, I think it's good value for money if you're looking for a good (gaming) keyboard. And let's face it -- with Corsair's warranty and its robustness it'll last the lifetime of an average dog. Would recommend.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-08-10 09:38:44 UTC
here's a post that addresses the question:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=117249#post117249

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James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#8 - 2012-08-10 14:55:11 UTC
It's allowed. Stacking weapons has gotten rid of the need for it mostly, but I suppose there are some cases where it could come in handy, e.g. smartbombs that can't be stacked.

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El Cid Campeador
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-08-10 15:04:24 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
here's a post that addresses the question:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=117249#post117249


Holy crap, i was can baited in my infancy! Although chasing him down and fighting the guy was much more worth it than filing a petition for the guy to get banned or something... Anyways
Goremageddon Box
Guerrilla Flotilla
#10 - 2012-08-10 15:05:17 UTC
Do fat fingers count as macros?

How about when my heads hits my keyboard from nodding off?
Ginger Barbarella
#11 - 2012-08-10 15:47:25 UTC
I have a Razor Nostromo; I specifically petitioned to ask if it was legal before I bought it, and the responding GM said it was (he noted, in fact, that he uses one). I recently picked up a Naga and plan to try it out this weekend if I get a few minutes. Not software/macros, but just thought I'd comment on it.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Garreth Vlox
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-08-11 20:36:03 UTC
Forum Harlot wrote:
I have a new keyboard with so-called "macro buttons", "programmable buttons" and/or "G-keys", which allows me to, for example, activate multiple buttons with one keypress. For instance, I can put my active modules on the top rack of my control UI (F1, F2...) and bind G1 to activate F1-F3 on press. This doesn't really give me any advantage or does it faster than if I manually pressed the buttons, however, it is undeniably convenient.

eula wrote:
You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.


If I were to utilize this functionality I would technically be using a third-party software (or, strictly speaking, firmware), but not in a way which seems prohibited in the EULA. So, in order to not run the risk of being banned by a bot detection system or some such, I'm wondering whether or not it's ok to use macros as stated above? Can I instead of manually activating, say, F1-F4 bind this action to G7 without worry, or should I not use this?


CCP's definition of bannable AFK play is just that AFK, meaning the PC is playing while you watch or W/E

If you are actually playing the game, (using the mouse to control the game, the number of game clients or mouse clicks is irrelevant) then its not AFK play. This is why stuff like ISboxer and gaming mice/keyboards are okay to use.

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