Missions & Complexes

I would love to see the devs find a way to help us weaker guys against station campers in nulsec.

nuff said...I dont wish to complain. :-) Lag causes players to die when they exit the station. I dont care how well you got yourself setup for insta warp, your not going to beat somebody who is looking for your name to popup on the overview while your lagged on your screen with a BLACK screen.

So, to the guy in nulsec, and you know who you are, thanks, I needed the insta pop to highsec. I was headed back there anyways. :-) I am just glad I didnt have all that loot from the station on my ship for you to grab.

And, to you guys who tried the bubble trap at the station...cheers!

What point of having a Cloaking device when you cant use it leaving a station? This is the only time I am vulnerable to getting popped. If I didnt need to go into the station for a mission, you would have had to work at finding me with your probes. Is this what they call carebear campers?

Anyways, I love the game but come on, whats a guy gotta do? BTW, Guardian Angels got good sh** in their store, and I do mean gooooood stuff.

Would be nice to see Guardian Angels a little closer to hisec or at least a few more than what I saw on the map.

Forgive my noobiness, but I am working on that.

ooo btw, they got L4 security missions there...woohoo

You ARE invulnerable after undock unless you turn. It is possible to insta-stop and redock if you are close enough to station.

Untargetable, undamageable, unbumpable. Sounds a lot like being invulnerable.

Here's a high tech piece of equipment CCP could deploy to foil station campers, a freakin window!!

Lmao ... yup, it would have made a lot more sense then silly invulnerabilities.

If you die to a station camp, you deserve it, especially with the reduced 10 second session change timer. Just dock.

Who docks in a kickout station?

Or, better yet, have the game switch to an outside view of the station before undocking, and then you get to decide whether you actually undock your ship.

TLDR? Move on, nothing of interest here.

I have spent a fair bit of time in areas of NPC nullsec with lots of station (and gate, and planet etc etc) camping activities. Indeed, every time I go run a pirate epic arc again I head back to just such an area. I have lost two ships on a station undock ... the first a frigate when I stupidly hit my MWD to try burn away from incoming bombs, the second another frigate popped by an instacane when I undocked from an unfamiliar hisec station and spent a second or two aligning before I warped out.

IMHO there’s a lot you can do to help yourself. You don’t need to beg CCP to intercede on your behalf. Here's my tips and ideas on how you can help yourself in these nasty situations.

Learn about the grid around objects in space

Especially important for instawarp bookmarks (vide infra) and understanding bubble dynamics. Gridfu may well become an important term in your understanding.

If you are ongrid with a station, whatever the distance in km, you will be able to 'see' ships, guns, cans (etc) that are at the station, on your main screen and your overview, and your directional scanner will show them at a distance rather than at "-". Being able to 'see' the station itself is irrelevant because it is set to be seen from wherever you are, ongrid or offgrid.

Learn about undock dynamics and their variation

Stations differ to one another, just as stargates do. Learn about the basics and how things vary. Especially learn about undock invulnerability periods, undock direction variability, and what can and cannot happen on an undock.

Learn about bubbles

They are awesomely powerful tools, but understanding their dynamics and their limitations can help you reduce their awesomeness as applied to you. For example: If your warp destination is offgrid to the bubble, and if you are not actually in the bubble, then you can warp thru the bubble to your destination.

Having already learnt about the grid, you will appreciate that it is possible to have an object a long way away (e.g. thousands of km) and yet still be on-grid with it.

Learn about your Directional Scanner

Especially useful when approaching a potentially hostile station (or gate) for the very first time. Also essential for many other parts of life in dangerous space.

Make some undock 'instawarp' bookmarks

These are absolute must have items in all areas of space (e.g. including the Jita IV 4 undock), and you do not even need to dock to build them. To make one without first docking just work out the undock line (gotta love those amarr stations for this bit) and use your mainscreen graphics to move yourself to a suitable undock location. I usually make an initial one just barely ongrid (e.g. 300km out), then dock, and undock warping to it. Then as soon as the warp stops, and my ship slows, I manually set full speed ahead and continue until I have a decent offgrid instawarp.

The benefit of doing this is that you can make your bookmark in the perfect middle location, whereas some actual undockings will steer you towards one extreme in the range of undock directions.

These bookmarks are great protection against fast-lockers camping the undock and evil ppl who try and undock with you. They're also essential additions to the other methods you might employ.
They're also very useful, providing you have a very-much-offgrid one, when your undock is imperfectly bubbled ... you often find yourself able to just warp thru the bubble to your bookmark.

I prefix the name of these bookmarks with "!" so they sort to the top of the bookmarks window I have open: e.g. "! VI 1 RFAD exit: 1400km instawarp". That way I don't have to fuss around, under duress, to find them.

Make some station 'perch' bookmarks

Never warp directly to a potentially hostile nullsec station. Build yourself some 'perch' bookmarks, around 300km from the station away from any likely warp-lines ... usually above and below are good (altho pretty predictable). 300km is almost always ongrid and is a distance that allows you to warp to an object at-100km and then warp back out if you need ... it just keeps your options open.

When you are inbound to the station always warp to that perch bookmark first.

Use permanently undocked cloaky alts as scouts

I often have a covops alt undocked fulltime when I am working in the nastier areas of NPC null. I warp them to a perch near the station, to observe, before I consider undocking.

I log them out at a safespot when I am done.

Ctrl-space

It's an uber tool, providing you don't get stopped outside the redock zone of the station. If you're undocking blind (no-one watching the outside of the station for you) then hitting ctrl-space will stop you immediately and will not disrupt your undock invulnerability. You can then have a good look around and, if you're not comfortable, wait for 10s to have passed and redock without anyone getting a lock on you.

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I have always thought the fact that you need an alt to undock in hostile space is a fault with Eve's gameplay.

There should be a way to tell if you are being station camped wothout resorting to the use of alts.