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Dear CCP - EvE-sourced dollars and potential Dust failcascade

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Shamubar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#61 - 2012-08-10 10:10:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Shamubar
dust is something i have no intentions to play or get involved with at the moment even though i have a ps3


http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-06-13-an-entire-top-end-dust-514-load-out-costs-around-USD0-24-in-real-money

pretty much paying for each life and with how quick deaths can rack up in a FPS we can all see where this is going
Kallie Rae
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#62 - 2012-08-10 10:14:31 UTC
There is one thing i've never understood about Dust, and that is why did they choose PS3 only? Also why not make it available on PC as well?
Shamubar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#63 - 2012-08-10 10:22:41 UTC
i have never understood that one either, while yes ps3 may reach out to more people you put dust on the pc then you can be sure 90% of eve players will give it a try, what happens with the ps3 becomes outdated replaced? how many people who play dust on the ps3 will trully understand eve online, look at current top FPS, BF3 and CoD how may people work as a team in those games not very many.

this game will become so devalued and usless to the people of eve online as people wont listen or do whats needed or follow orders if you will, they will just care about the kill to death ratio as always.

while i agree some parts of the game look interesting they could also backfire which most eve players are scared off as what will happen to eve online if dust fails.
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#64 - 2012-08-10 10:26:26 UTC
Denidil wrote:
So CCP, you've used our subscription money to siphon away to create dust. A free to play shooter with a cash store that you hope will pay for itself and become a meaningful part of the EvE Universe. This is a laudable goal - creating a more complete game ecosystem. Fleet (EvE) does the flying and MI (Dust) does the dying and all that. It even sounds like fun. If it were a done right I wouldn't even begrudge you using our subscription dollars from EvE to do it - if it would eventually pay for itself. If it did eventually pay for itself EvE would get that money back, and that money would get spent improving EvE in the long run.

[...]

CCP - you used your existing game to bankroll your new one. That in and of itself is not an issue, but when that game has a high chance of failcascading and said investment diverted from making our main game more awesome then you have some responsibility to the players of your main game.


Note: for comparison - Wii 96.56 million units shipped, Xbox 360 is 67.2 million units shipped



You sound like someone who pays for a product you like and thinks it's still "your" money after youve spent it.

Go to the next bakery, buy a bread and then tell mr. Bakerman how to use "your" money.

Seriously, lol.

Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.

Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#65 - 2012-08-10 10:33:29 UTC
Who the hell came up with "failcascade?" For crying out lemons.
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#66 - 2012-08-10 10:42:43 UTC
CCP have said they are launching DUST on PS3.

I bolded & underlined the important word there.

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.

Othran
Route One
#67 - 2012-08-10 10:43:09 UTC
Having Dust exclusively on PS3 may have helped the dev costs but it won't result in a sustainable game due to the small market it targets.

The only people who will play Dust long-term are existing Eve players and personally I don't need another Eve related time-sink.

Eve takes up enough time and if I play something else then the very last thing I want is something else Eve related. I'll play something totally different and Dust isn't it.

I hope it does well but if I'm being honest I think it was poorly conceived and poorly executed. In addition the P2W model is hopelessly optimistic - I can hear it now when it fails : "how come this isn't working, surely its awesome" Roll

No point in moaning about it until dev focus is switched to "save Dust". At that point then CCP may need a bit of a slap to refocus on Eve (again).
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#68 - 2012-08-10 10:46:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
King Rothgar wrote:
The wisdom of targeting the console market, and specifically PS3 is dubious at best. Additionally, the PS3 is over 6 years old now. People who don't have one aren't going to go get one. Those things are antiques with their 256mb of RAM and 3.2 GHZ single core processor.Roll


Not a single core processor. 8 SPEs and one PPE.

Just shows how much some "PC gamers" know about consoles...
Shamubar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#69 - 2012-08-10 10:48:54 UTC
Virgil Travis wrote:
CCP have said they are launching DUST on PS3.

I bolded & underlined the important word there.




if you mean it may be out for something else then you are wrong they have stated countless times that it will be a PS3 Exclusive

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-06-07-dust-514-confirmed-ps3-exclusive
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#70 - 2012-08-10 10:51:48 UTC
Shamubar wrote:
pretty much paying for each life and with how quick deaths can rack up in a FPS we can all see where this is going
Good thing that you don't have to pay anything then.

Othran wrote:
The only people who will play Dust long-term are existing Eve players and personally I don't need another Eve related time-sink.
…and that is kind of why they aren't aiming at pleasing the EVE crowd by releasing it on PC.
Jess Maine
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#71 - 2012-08-10 10:52:24 UTC
I gotta agree in a way, DUST isn't going to stand up to Planetside 2 (don't argue to me about platforms, we all know everyones practically gritting their teeth into powder for Planetside 2) but when I mention DUST to people their first response is "Wtf is DUST?".
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#72 - 2012-08-10 10:55:42 UTC
I was planning on joining the rant because I don't have PS3... but then my son walked in and brought his PS3 (from his mother's home) with him... Buahaha... downloading the beta right now! Twisted

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"

Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2012-08-10 11:08:16 UTC
Buy a PS3 just to play dust, not a chance, wouldn't waste my cash on a PS3.

Been reading this thread wondering what the fuss is all about.

FPS are ok for awhile but they soon start to get boring. Will Dust be any different? Maybe but I doubt it somehow.

If I wanted to play a land based game I'd probably just play GW2.

I don't think Dust is going to do too well, might be wrong of course like any forecast.

But even if Dust doesn't do well, I don't see it killing off EVE.

dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#74 - 2012-08-10 11:12:20 UTC
Denidil wrote:
So CCP, you've used our subscription money to siphon away to create dust.


It's money you pay to CCP, and they can invest it any way they like. If you don't like the fact the CCP decided to invest in dust and WoD, stop paying and go play something else if you feel so strongly about it.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#75 - 2012-08-10 11:21:17 UTC
I wonder, if DUST fails completely, will it take EVE down with it? I guess it comes down to whether CCP has taken out large loans to finance DUST, or financed it with their own cash reserves.

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Othran
Route One
#76 - 2012-08-10 11:29:33 UTC
Tippia wrote:

Othran wrote:
The only people who will play Dust long-term are existing Eve players and personally I don't need another Eve related time-sink.
…and that is kind of why they aren't aiming at pleasing the EVE crowd by releasing it on PC.


Well not really Tippia. You can get a fair amount of cash/development assistance if you target specific hardware. CCP have taken advantage of this in the past for Eve Online with NVidia and I have no doubt Sony provided "assistance" (whether financial or embedded devs) to CCP for Dust. Such is the way of things and its no big deal unless you're expecting the game to attract people for years.

The problem here is that its likely to be a niche game on (fairly) niche h/w, with a playerbase where the majority haven't been conditioned into P2W, never mind the "awesomeness" CCP believe will work Blink

I hope it works but I wouldn't bet one Icelandic imaginary spacehip ISK on it happening.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#77 - 2012-08-10 11:34:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Othran wrote:
Well not really Tippia. You can get a fair amount of cash/development assistance if you target specific hardware. CCP have taken advantage of this in the past for Eve Online with NVidia and I have no doubt Sony provided "assistance" (whether financial or embedded devs) to CCP for Dust.
That would make sense if the decision to go console hadn't come long before it became a PS3-only game (and even then, I haven't seen anything saying it will be a PS3 exclusive game — just that MS is being oldfashioned and obstinate so far).

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The problem here is that its likely to be a niche game on (fairly) niche h/w, with a playerbase where the majority haven't been conditioned into P2W, never mind the "awesomeness" CCP believe will work
Then again, PC is even more niche in the FPS genre these days, and MT is already prevalent among newer console shooters. The fact that it's not P2W will probably further improve its chances.
Sarik Olecar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#78 - 2012-08-10 11:54:09 UTC
ITT: People who like MMO's talk about how they don't like things that aren't MMO's...

I mean seriously guys, if you thought FPS's were a blast would you be playing EVE?

Hows my posting? Call 1-800-747-7633 to leave feedback.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#79 - 2012-08-10 11:56:18 UTC
Sarik Olecar wrote:
I mean seriously guys, if you thought FPS's were a blast would you be playing EVE?
Apparently. Shocking isn't it?
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#80 - 2012-08-10 12:12:02 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
I have ton of console friends foaming at the mouth to play DUST. Your entire post is, well... bullshit.


It's new, they haven't played it yet, it looks shiny and it's free. OFCOURSE they'll be interested... till they get distracted by some lint in their pocket and move off to another new shooter.