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Dear CCP - EvE-sourced dollars and potential Dust failcascade

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2012-08-10 05:05:55 UTC
Forum Harlot wrote:
Get a PS3 and quit this never-ending, relentless whine. Can't afford a PS3? Get a job.


dust five fourteen: the killer game for the PS3 (we mean it this time)

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#42 - 2012-08-10 05:07:45 UTC
I hope Dust does well, and plan to play myself. However, I think PS3 only was a bad call too...it also should have been on the Xbox...lol...all my console FPS friends are on Xbox...I'll miss them :(

James315 for CSM 8!
NickyYo
modro
The Initiative.
#43 - 2012-08-10 05:11:39 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Poasting in a stealth "I don't have a ps3" thread.


Confirming i have a ps3 and DUST is infact ****.

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Yaaar Smackdaddy
Piracy Incorporated
#44 - 2012-08-10 05:11:50 UTC
Denidil wrote:
So CCP, you've used our subscription money to siphon away to create dust. A free to play shooter with a cash store that you hope will pay for itself and become a meaningful part of the EvE Universe. This is a laudable goal - creating a more complete game ecosystem. Fleet (EvE) does the flying and MI (Dust) does the dying and all that. It even sounds like fun. If it were a done right I wouldn't even begrudge you using our subscription dollars from EvE to do it - if it would eventually pay for itself. If it did eventually pay for itself EvE would get that money back, and that money would get spent improving EvE in the long run.

However you made a grave mistake in your demographics and market research and the conclusions you have drawn from it.

You went to consoles. You're trying to setup a game that is only long-term profitable via a cash store on the console platform. In the FPS Genre. Did you even read reports of how long console gamers stick to a single shooter? 3 months after you release Dust 514 you will have 90% less people playing it than on day 1.

There were only 64 million play stations shipped - let's assume an EXTREMELY GENEROUS 10% (6.4mil - note: the best selling PS3 game is Gran Turismo 5 at 7.43mil units) give Dust a try at launch. 90% attrition within three months you'll have 640k players. Sounds good right? waay more than eve, right? Wrong. Because they're not paying subscription fees. What percentage of them are going to buy things from the cash shop? How many much do you think you will bring in, per month, from Dust's cash shop.

How many years until Dust pays for itself and we EvE players see the money come back to EvE? How many subscriptions to EvE could you have gained instead had you invested that money into improving EvE and marketing it?

What are you going to do when a more likely less than 1million players even try Dust 514? What happens when your 90% attrition takes you down to 100k, what happens where a mere 10% of them spend money in the cash store EVER? Where is the Beef, CCP? What are you going to do to make Dust at least break even. When it INEVITABLY fails on the Console are you going to fast-port it to the PC and see if you can try to not completely loose your ass on it? On PC it might have a chance since PC FPS players have a longer attention span for a single game - they stick around longer if it is good. However even that might save it.

What happens to EvE and CCP if Dust fails? What happens to the subscription dollars that were diverted from iterating on EvE and were instead spent on dust? What awesome features did we miss out on because of Dust, and when will we see them?

CCP - you used your existing game to bankroll your new one. That in and of itself is not an issue, but when that game has a high chance of failcascading and said investment diverted from making our main game more awesome then you have some responsibility to the players of your main game.


Note: for comparison - Wii 96.56 million units shipped, Xbox 360 is 67.2 million units shipped

You speak like an investor. You are not an investor you are a customer. There is a big difference.
NickyYo
modro
The Initiative.
#45 - 2012-08-10 05:15:13 UTC
Belshazzar Babylon wrote:
Why do you care what CCP does with their money? As long as they keep the servers on for EVE and continue to update it what difference does it make? Seriously this is like buying a Bigmac and then complaining that McDonalds is working on a new burger.


Because in DUST514 you start in your captain quarters and have another room with other people in!
It's like CCP was developing incarna and then got the idea for DUST514 and then abandoned incarna and left it with one room to start DUST514.

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Jaison Savrin
Brave Empire Inc.
Brave United
#46 - 2012-08-10 05:42:32 UTC
I think having Dust only on the PS3 is a mistake. Simply because diversifying your target customer base would make more sense.

I do not have a problem with it not being on PC.

I will be buying a PS3 in the spring anyway so idc. I just think it is a bad decision to put it only on PS3.

If Eve players can treat Dust players like they treat each other that will be not good. Most FPS players (in my personal non-scientific experience without empirical evidence) have no problem being griefed in ways that involve being shot. They get over it and forget it once the patch that fixes the exploit (if there was one) goes live. However, I do not think they will be at all ok with being scammed out of their money or equipment.

Dust will be fine, probably. CCP seems to have a pretty good handle on the whole running a game thing or so it seems to me. DON'T PANIC!
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#47 - 2012-08-10 05:52:19 UTC
Dust needs to be put on PC.
It will absolutely not survive past a few months in the console market.

There is no Bob.

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Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#48 - 2012-08-10 05:52:21 UTC
James 315 wrote:
I thought CCP's stated goal with Dust was to reach an audience as different from EVE's current playerbase as possible. One of them said something like that during the Alliance Tournament, anyway.


"one of them"? You mean Hilmar?
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#49 - 2012-08-10 05:58:46 UTC
You know what... I'm strangely comfortable with Eve subscription moniez being used on Dust.

I'm also perfectly fine with Fleet doing the flying and MI doing the dying.

The added advantage of Console players... their attention spans are too short to moan about getting ganked by Fleet on the forums.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Ten Bulls
Sons of Olsagard
#50 - 2012-08-10 06:02:03 UTC
Denidil wrote:

How many years until Dust pays for itself and we EvE players see the money come back to EvE?



If you love something its not uncommon to feel responsible for it, but it makes you feel like an owner then your too close.

CCP is a corporation, corporations dont give money back.
NeoShocker
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#51 - 2012-08-10 06:24:47 UTC
Metal gear 4: sons of patriots. Great game. After beating it a few times more, ps3 been collecting dust. I did buy ps3 just for that game. Now i got a polishing materials to wipe clean of ps3 yesterday and it is now shiny like faggottry amarrians's ships, it is ready for dust514, and will be playing it over the weekend. Why? Well my gtx 470 died and is currently in rma :s

See you guys on the field below friday night, pacific time. Only thing i am worried about is the inconvient downtime schedule for sisi.

I am nervous as much as OP, CCP, and vet pilots are. 6 years and counting, is a long time for a single game. It is targetting new audience, new game style, same server as us eve players (now gods?). But i am hoping great success, and only way to make it happen, if you love ccp enough despite all the up and downs, only me, myself, I, and YOU can make it happen to make dust work and succeed.

If you got ps3, go for it. Rest of you without ps3 and expressing doubt, negative stuff, and what not, give me your stuff, quit eve, and **** off. Those planning to get one, hope to meet you on dust. :)

I am for once nervous and excited for CCP doing something unique that have never been done before. Cross link between pc and console for a mmo. Stepping up the sandbox.
NeoShocker
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#52 - 2012-08-10 06:29:37 UTC
Abel Merkabah wrote:
I hope Dust does well, and plan to play myself. However, I think PS3 only was a bad call too...it also should have been on the Xbox...lol...all my console FPS friends are on Xbox...I'll miss them :(

It was planned for both consoles, but microsoft happened. So it wasnt ccp's call. Even valve have something against microsoft because valve wants to put free stuff and updates, but ms says no, must charge.
Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
#53 - 2012-08-10 06:40:43 UTC
The poster got one thing right and that is the longevity of shooters on consoles. Its always very short lived. The only place shooters garner any longevity are on the PC and its primarly because of the MOD community, in fact the most successful shooters in the history of gaming have in fact been MODS themselves.

It looks like a fun game and I'm sure my 8 year old will play it, but just like Toy Story 2 and Lego Star Wars .... two months later it will be in a basket with the hundred other games he never plays. This is how it is with consoles.

I think DUST could have a lot of potential in the hands of Eve players, but as a console only release, I couldn't possibly care any less about it.

The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub. 
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#54 - 2012-08-10 08:07:15 UTC
Denidil wrote:
So CCP, you've used our subscription money


Does your boss get to tell you what to spend your wages on? It seems like you feel entitled to tell CCP how to spend the money you pay them for access rights to TQ.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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Pilna Vcelka
Doomheim
#55 - 2012-08-10 08:16:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Pilna Vcelka
OP: You dont gain any "rights" to tell CCP what to do and what not to do by paying them subscription money. Nobody ******* cares about you. You dont get the right to boss people around in a pub by buying a beer, you dont get to set flight prices and schedules by buying an air ticket.

You pay your subscription to able to log in for 30 days and do whatever you enjoy - then you pay again or GTFO.

Oh the EVE die hard pros - topics like these show their real and mental age bare naked. Freakin pubescent nerds yelling at everyone after spending their pocket money, gah.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#56 - 2012-08-10 08:36:09 UTC
Denidil wrote:


How many years until Dust pays for itself and we EvE players see the money come back to EvE? How many subscriptions to EvE could you have gained instead had you invested that money into improving EvE and marketing it?


I think that was the funniest part.

CCP is a profit-oriented company. CCP is an asset. A Venture capital asset. Assets exist to benefit their owners. If they don´t perform they get dumped. Do you own CCP?
HTFU nobody forces you to pay CCP, you are willingly a part of EvE.

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Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#57 - 2012-08-10 09:22:15 UTC
Denidil wrote:
So CCP, you've used our subscription money to siphon away to create dust.


Its their revenue, they can invest it any way they see fit. Siphon away, funny stuff.Roll
Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#58 - 2012-08-10 09:53:31 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
anyone who tries something new will clearly fail! I'm scared of new things


We fear change.

By the way, since we're already talking, do you want to buy a rifter? I've got the cheapest rifters in Metropolis. If you can find a cheaper rifter, buy it!
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2012-08-10 09:57:12 UTC
So,DUST is dying too? DAMMNIT!

Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#60 - 2012-08-10 10:03:19 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:
So,DUST is dying too? DAMMNIT!


In the grand tradition, probably means it will still be kicking it's gravestone in 10 years like EVE Lol

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