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Dear CCP - EvE-sourced dollars and potential Dust failcascade

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Forum Harlot
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-08-10 02:10:29 UTC
Get a PS3 and quit this never-ending, relentless whine. Can't afford a PS3? Get a job.
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-08-10 02:11:27 UTC
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So CCP, you've used our subscription money to siphon away to create dust


stopped reading here, fail logic is fail. this is not how it works

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Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2012-08-10 02:12:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Marconus Orion
The fact is there are people out there (including the OP and a few in this thread) that would rather see DUST available on PC only with a tiny handful of EVE players playing the game than it being on console only with a few hundred thousand playing it. Would rather see the EVE universe remain in the hands of just a few self proclaimed elites than being manipulated cross platform bridging the gap between console and PC players, being exposed to new and refreshing ways the universe of EVE can exist and thus the story moving forward into a new chapter.

Sorry you think DUST being on the PS3 only as a bad thing, but you are simply a coward. Cowards don't climb mountains because they are there. Cowards don't go to the moon. Cowards don't put a car on Mars with a sky crane. Cowards, they sit at home and only expose themselves to what is safe. What they know.

And cowards don't foam at the mouth tugging on themselves at the idea of nuking a bunch of console players from orbit from a spaceship because it is the only way to be sure. Twisted
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-08-10 02:14:40 UTC
besides we all know dust will come to pc. It'll be like 3 years but they keep hinting at it since 2010.

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#25 - 2012-08-10 02:16:37 UTC
ima go buy a ps3 anyways, bunch of stuff I wanted to play on it.

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King Rothgar
Deadly Solutions
#26 - 2012-08-10 02:49:46 UTC
The wisdom of targeting the console market, and specifically PS3 is dubious at best. Additionally, the PS3 is over 6 years old now. People who don't have one aren't going to go get one. Those things are antiques with their 256mb of RAM and 3.2 GHZ single core processor.Roll

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Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-08-10 02:51:08 UTC
You do realise they'll be porting to PS4, right?
Jackie Debs
A-31
#28 - 2012-08-10 02:57:07 UTC
Aruken Marr wrote:
You do realise they'll be porting to PS4, right?

Don't ruin their fun, If there is something people can do, there will be elitists within it. PC/console gaming is no exception.

If ccp released two exact ships, one blue and one red, people would be elitists about which color is best and why the other groups ship color was vastly inferior. It is human disease. The bigger the nerd ego, the worse it is. Let the elitists have their tantrum and the rest of us can enjoy the release. Their loss.
Ghazu
#29 - 2012-08-10 03:10:42 UTC
Better dust than space goddamn barbies.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#30 - 2012-08-10 03:12:14 UTC
get a ps2

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Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe
#31 - 2012-08-10 03:37:53 UTC
Risk versus reward.

Also, you're about six months behind the 'I hate ps3 and Dust will fail' trend.

John Hancock
Herr Hammer Draken
#32 - 2012-08-10 03:41:38 UTC
Denidil wrote:
So CCP, you've used our subscription money to siphon away to create dust. A free to play shooter with a cash store that you hope will pay for itself and become a meaningful part of the EvE Universe. This is a laudable goal - creating a more complete game ecosystem. Fleet (EvE) does the flying and MI (Dust) does the dying and all that. It even sounds like fun. If it were a done right I wouldn't even begrudge you using our subscription dollars from EvE to do it - if it would eventually pay for itself. If it did eventually pay for itself EvE would get that money back, and that money would get spent improving EvE in the long run.

However you made a grave mistake in your demographics and market research and the conclusions you have drawn from it.

You went to consoles. You're trying to setup a game that is only long-term profitable via a cash store on the console platform. In the FPS Genre. Did you even read reports of how long console gamers stick to a single shooter? 3 months after you release Dust 514 you will have 90% less people playing it than on day 1.

There were only 64 million play stations shipped - let's assume an EXTREMELY GENEROUS 10% (6.4mil - note: the best selling PS3 game is Gran Turismo 5 at 7.43mil units) give Dust a try at launch. 90% attrition within three months you'll have 640k players. Sounds good right? waay more than eve, right? Wrong. Because they're not paying subscription fees. What percentage of them are going to buy things from the cash shop? How many much do you think you will bring in, per month, from Dust's cash shop.

How many years until Dust pays for itself and we EvE players see the money come back to EvE? How many subscriptions to EvE could you have gained instead had you invested that money into improving EvE and marketing it?

What are you going to do when a more likely less than 1million players even try Dust 514? What happens when your 90% attrition takes you down to 100k, what happens where a mere 10% of them spend money in the cash store EVER? Where is the Beef, CCP? What are you going to do to make Dust at least break even. When it INEVITABLY fails on the Console are you going to fast-port it to the PC and see if you can try to not completely loose your ass on it? On PC it might have a chance since PC FPS players have a longer attention span for a single game - they stick around longer if it is good. However even that might save it.

What happens to EvE and CCP if Dust fails? What happens to the subscription dollars that were diverted from iterating on EvE and were instead spent on dust? What awesome features did we miss out on because of Dust, and when will we see them?

CCP - you used your existing game to bankroll your new one. That in and of itself is not an issue, but when that game has a high chance of failcascading and said investment diverted from making our main game more awesome then you have some responsibility to the players of your main game.


Note: for comparison - Wii 96.56 million units shipped, Xbox 360 is 67.2 million units shipped


I am quite sure it was not CCP's idea to make dust for the PS3. I believe it was Sony as they own the ps3 and have a control in CCP as well. In fact maybe CCP is even getting a kickback from Sony for Dust. So I would not be so quick to say they are using your eve dollars for dust.

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Mystic Lore Arcanium
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2012-08-10 03:44:20 UTC
All I see is my Walking in Station shifted planetside and given to somebody else....
Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-08-10 04:00:38 UTC
Correct me please, but I don't think something like this has ever been done before. The concept was/is visionary.

This latest patch was nicely executed, so as far as the money from subs, I think we got our fair share this cycle.

I admit I have not been following this, but the one thing that seems lost to me is the reward/motivation for an EvE player to participate. I mean, have you guys seen or heard anything about how we supposed to sponsor a ground team and/or deliver orbital bombardment? If there is a tutorial, I sure haven't seen it advertised. I mean, if this is a Beta, shouldn't we be testing the interactions between EvE and Dust?

Oh and yeah, like others, I'm wondering why this is not available on the PC. CCP shows huge vision to create the EvE-Dust concept, and they don't have the vision to port it to the PC.

Oh Well.
Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2012-08-10 04:13:44 UTC
One of the reasons why DUST is not, and hopefully never will be, on the PC is the fast amount of hacking that would be done in the game. Everyone has been around long enough to see the length EVE players will go to in order to cheat.
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-08-10 04:17:09 UTC
Jimmy Limmerick
Perkone
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-08-10 04:18:05 UTC
So CCP, thats as far as I got.

tl;dr
Herr Hammer Draken
#38 - 2012-08-10 04:26:26 UTC
Urgg Boolean wrote:
Correct me please, but I don't think something like this has ever been done before. The concept was/is visionary.

This latest patch was nicely executed, so as far as the money from subs, I think we got our fair share this cycle.

I admit I have not been following this, but the one thing that seems lost to me is the reward/motivation for an EvE player to participate. I mean, have you guys seen or heard anything about how we supposed to sponsor a ground team and/or deliver orbital bombardment? If there is a tutorial, I sure haven't seen it advertised. I mean, if this is a Beta, shouldn't we be testing the interactions between EvE and Dust?

Oh and yeah, like others, I'm wondering why this is not available on the PC. CCP shows huge vision to create the EvE-Dust concept, and they don't have the vision to port it to the PC.

Oh Well.


Oh for crying out loud. You guys are complete dolts. Of course CCP is interested in porting dust for a PC.
But if they have a contract with Sony which I am sure they do then that contract spells out what they can and can not do.
Sony wants a destination game for the PS3 and in their mind dust is it.
The contract probably forbids CCP from porting dust to a PC.
Contracts can always get changed and might should dust not do well on the ps3.

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2012-08-10 04:43:53 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
I have ton of console friends foaming at the mouth to play DUST. Your entire post is, well... bullshit.


i had a ton of console friends foaming at the mouth (even more) for MW2

who plays MW2 these days? nobody

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Forum Harlot
Doomheim
#40 - 2012-08-10 04:52:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Forum Harlot
Richard Desturned wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:
I have ton of console friends foaming at the mouth to play DUST. Your entire post is, well... bullshit.


i had a ton of console friends foaming at the mouth (even more) for MW2

who plays MW2 these days? nobody


Are you joking? First and foremost, last time I played MW2 there was more than enough players to say it's still alive. Even CoD:MW has a sustainable playerbase.

Secondly, the majority of CoD players have always migrated to the most recent title when it comes along. You're talking about a three year old game that has received little to no attention from the developers in its lifespan (Except a handful of DLCs).

Lastly, MW2's low player number can have something to do with the fact that it was completely abandoned by the developers after release, and it's still suffering from terrible balance issues and gamebreaking OP loadouts (read: GL+OMA). No one has fun playing MW2 when even a single person decides he wants to ruin a lobby.