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is it worth training for the Amarr Tech II Zealot?

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Songbird
#21 - 2011-10-12 02:45:19 UTC
you should train up for the t1 zealot - so much faster.
Sowilla
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2011-10-12 13:33:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Sowilla
You sure there is a Tech I Zealot? I didn't see it on the Amarr list of ships, just the Tech II one....

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Cryissa
Caldari Navy Operations
#23 - 2011-10-12 14:01:13 UTC
Drones are KEY. I have in my early days lost ships due to either no drones or the early drone training and using only Tech one drones.

I never do level 4 missions without good drone support so with that said I wouldnt use a ship without drones apart from the Tengu.

Just my 2 cents :)
Dunbar Hulan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2011-10-12 16:51:01 UTC
A Retribution will easily do up to level 3 missions, something to think about.

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Jill Antaris
Jill's Open Incursion Corp
#25 - 2011-10-12 19:11:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Jill Antaris
Cryissa wrote:
Drones are KEY. I have in my early days lost ships due to either no drones or the early drone training and using only Tech one drones.

I never do level 4 missions without good drone support so with that said I wouldnt use a ship without drones apart from the Tengu.

Just my 2 cents :)


I hope you realize that the zealot got no drones at all. However it is generally one of the best anti frig ships in the game, by his high range, very high tracking at this ranges and solid damage projection at range.

The comments about spider drones sound pretty much like assumptions or 2. hand experience to me, since you can wipe 4 out of 6 spider drones before they even made it under the range of scorch(and yes they go 5km/s)
and then melt the rest at close range with a proper fit(and no L4 fields more, even if silence the informant is trickier because everything webs and you have like 20 frigs in the 2. pocket). Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

The navy omen is a very big upgrade compared to the Omen, since it adds enough fitting to use heavy puls and enough lows to get a solid tank after 3-4 heat sinks.

The Zealot is even better, the mix of high speed, high range and solid damage is very nice in PVE. Legion is like 5 times as expensive for about twice the tank, a lot better capacitor and a bit better dps if you go with a 6 gun configuration. You can do L4 in a Zealot, however a BS(especially the amarr and sansha ones) are mostly a lot faster by the higher damage and range.

However a Zealot or Legion is very nice for plexing, wh or incurison PVE, where a BS is often not so handy by the massive sig or his limited ability to hit smaller stuff.
Sowilla
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2011-10-13 03:28:04 UTC
Thanks for all the replies! I think I'll go with the Navy Omen and definitely get some drones. My frigate is kicking but for now, but all the info this thread has provided is certainly appreciated! Big smile

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Aesiron
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2011-10-13 06:16:57 UTC
I myself am looking up to a Zealot. It would definitely be able to run level 4s a lot faster than a BS but with a lot more tank and DPS than the Omen.
Tora Oni
Legendary Sidekicks in Space
#28 - 2011-10-13 07:03:03 UTC
The Zealot is a good PVP and sniper boat. The Navy Omen is a damn fine ship to PVE in. Has good bonuses to do some nice damage to rats. I normally fly Legions...... but when I am bored as hell and there is no PVP to be done in the holes, I take my Navy Omen and have some 'fun'. Can also be used for PVP....depending what you run into. Cool
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#29 - 2011-10-13 07:47:56 UTC
Sowilla... it just occurred to me that you might want to consider going for a Harbinger rather than a Navy Omen or a Zealot. Not only is it half the price and "forgiving" with SP (or lack of) but it it also has a bit of "flexibility" in dealing with different situations... all at the cost of mobility of course.

Battlecruisers use the same weapons, mods, and skills the cruisers do... and they pack quite a bit of "oomph" for their price.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#30 - 2011-10-13 08:31:06 UTC
Songbird wrote:
you should train up for the t1 zealot - so much faster.



lol


+1

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Shayla Sh'inlux
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2011-10-13 09:17:22 UTC
Regardless of what you end up doing, you'll still want to train cruiser and Weapon Upgrades to level V, so it's not like the Zealot is miles and miles off. Just sayin'.
Elistea
BLUE Regiment.
#32 - 2011-10-13 12:09:32 UTC
Zealot is AWSOME ship. However using it for PVE is like riding a tank to to buy your groceries.
If u want to do missions fast and safe go ahead and skill up Battlecuisers (Harbinger can do miracles).
For longer run Legion is PVE monster and u can do any lvl 4 mission with ease. (not to mention incursions)
And for LOOOOONGER run there is one and only amarr carbear's dream ship --> Paladin

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Sowilla
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2011-10-13 17:37:32 UTC
Thanks for all the tips! This has definitely given me some options. I also appreciate everyone being so polite. :)

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Puss in Boots
Naked Moon Industries
#34 - 2011-10-13 18:53:23 UTC
Aesiron wrote:
I myself am looking up to a Zealot. It would definitely be able to run level 4s a lot faster than a BS but with a lot more tank and DPS than the Omen.


Uhm... no.
Noisrevbus
#35 - 2011-10-13 21:35:19 UTC
It's a HAC, almost every HAC is strictly a PvP-ship (Ishtar being the only exception) with better options at other sizes in lower tech. In PvP, as has been mentioned, it's one of the best allround ships in the game; capable in both shield and armor with both long- and short range weapons.

Amarr have a very interesting, some what easily accessible, PvE ship in the Armageddon. However it do require a fair amount of skillpoints to shine. The combination of slots, cap-bonus, reach and a whopping 125m3 make it quite outstanding for any typical slugish mission oriented PvE within it's race and tier.

Amarr PvE-progression tend to go from Harbinger to Geddon to Paladin to Archon (depending on what you do, of course; no capitals in empire). It may be worthwhile to at least glance at the Nightmare when you look to the Paladin, but i have a feeling it's alot of skillpoints to bridge for questionable usefulness.
Jill Antaris
Jill's Open Incursion Corp
#36 - 2011-10-13 21:55:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Jill Antaris
Noisrevbus wrote:
It's a HAC, almost every HAC is strictly a PvP-ship (Ishtar being the only exception) with better options at other sizes in lower tech.


Not really, the Ishtar offers a extreme tank(both shield or armor) without gimping the DPS or extreme long range dps setups(400+ DPS from sentry drones alone @ 100km for L2 and L3 blitzing). Zealot on the other hand offers a bit worse tank with a bit more damage at 50km while staying fully mobile and not losing DPS to respawns or npcs that switch targets with more gank at closer ranges. The ishtar is the best PVE hac, but the Zealot is very close second, actually overcomes it where time to probe you matters and npcs shoot your DPS.

Edit: It is not really the same Ishtar as it was pre QR, where a standard nano fit was basically immune to NPC damage, what made it the uncatchable pve mobile for low sec/0.0 that did this stuff in a full PVP fitting.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#37 - 2011-10-13 23:15:32 UTC
I flew a Zealot for PvE for a long time. I've found the Legion is a MUCH better choice, but the Zealot easily tops the Harbinger for tank and DPS.

Do yourself a favor: Try out the Arbitrator. Its drones will make missions a lot easier and it's easily one of the top T1 cruisers in the game. You can't go wrong with drone skills in Eve.

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Sowilla
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2011-10-14 01:25:09 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
I flew a Zealot for PvE for a long time. I've found the Legion is a MUCH better choice, but the Zealot easily tops the Harbinger for tank and DPS.

Do yourself a favor: Try out the Arbitrator. Its drones will make missions a lot easier and it's easily one of the top T1 cruisers in the game. You can't go wrong with drone skills in Eve.

Cool, I'll look into that for sure. Thanks, and for the other replies as well!

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Diomidis
Pod Liberation Authority
#39 - 2011-10-17 20:06:01 UTC
That Zealots cannot track webbing drones in their close orbit radius is a given fact, not an assumption. I've lost a ratting zealot because of this (actually it was this + neuting BSs along with the webbing/scramming frigs, but same difference), and had corpmates assist me in a couple of other occasions.

For PvE, sadly, there is nothing a zealot can do that a Harbinger cannot do just as well, and an Amarr BS can do even better.
Forget about the Zealot for PvE, its sub-par. Just ok DPS (half of what you would do with a BS, less than what you do with a Harby.
Forget about the Navy Omen - ok, it does have drones that help you get rid of frigs more reliably, but so do BCs and BSs. Also it lacks the range bonuses the Zealot has, so...again, less than half the range and half the DPS of BSs, same range and less tank + gank than BCs...

Cruisers are meh for PvE, T2 cruisers other than the Ishtar are obsolete for PvE after the T3s were introduced.

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Sowilla
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2011-10-18 20:25:14 UTC
Cool, I wouldn't mind getting a BC when the time is right....I appreciate the comments!

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