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Industry Advice (Research/Invention/Manuf)
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Hestan Kado
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-08-09 02:28:49 UTC

I am attempting to get an alt industry character off the ground (separate account) . I was using this guy (not the one i am posting on here) as a trader/miner with some combat skills to grind rep when needed. I would like to explore the idea of acquiring BPO’s and researching/copying/inventing from them and I am running into some questions that I wanted to get opinions on before moving forward. I feel pretty competent with the skills needed as I have read many threads on that topic. I get the general idea of doing my homework to find some T1 BPO’s to start with and then gradually proceeding to higher investment BPO’s once I get the hang of things. My questions are as follows:

1. Finding slots in hi sec area. From my limited searching, I see that slots for research jobs have a que around 30 days in most places before the research can even begin. Is this something to be expected and I should just plan more long term with my industry plans? Once those 30 day ques finish, what is an estimated research time for BPO’s to bring up ME and PE? To bring a cheap T1 BPO up to decent research specs am I looking at weeks/months/longer? This also leads to the next question of whether I should be looking at running my own POS in hi sec to.

2. Is a hi sec POS a recommended option. I know that fueling the thing is in the 3 mill per day range and I have to start a corp and bring the faction standing to a minimum of 5.0 before I can even anchor it. Either this will be a burly grind or I will need to buy a corp with that standing already there. How much does having a POS help with researching? I assume those 30 day ques are not even there.

3. What does joining an indy corp usually do for you? Can you join a corp with good standing and make your own POS to do all of your stuff or by being in a corp is that facility considered shared even though you anchor it. I am a little confused on that type of thing and I am always untrusting of other players taking advantage of this lack of knowledge.

Any clarification on some of these would be very helpful.
Aaron Younger
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#2 - 2012-08-09 02:57:49 UTC
1) Each blue print is different. Some, such as Scourge Heavy Missile can be researched in just under 2 hours per ME level while others, such as the Leviathan Titan, take just under 8 months per ME. Check out this site for info on each blueprint. http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/market.php?group_id=2

2) In order to do research, or anything other than a safe spot, at a POS you must anchor and online POS Modules within the force field. Here are two guides that may be able to help you out. Empire POS setup - http://www.eve-guides.com/poss/empirepos.php POS Research Guide - http://www.eve-guides.com/poss/LabPOS.php

3) In order to set up a POS for a Corporation you must have the Config Starbase Role. Any sensible Corp will not hand that role over lightly. The POS is not 'yours' but rather you launch it for the corp. In order to use labs and assembly arrays at a POS you need roles for that as well. I believe it is Factory Manager, but I may be wrong hopefully someone else can clarify that. By joining an Indy Corp you most likely wont be able to throw up 'your own' POS but you may have access to one or more that the corp already has online. Also some corps, like mine, have a library of BPOs locked down that corp members can make copies or use to build things. This cuts down on the cost of each individual person having to buy each BPO themselves.

I wouldn't recommend jumping into setting up your own POS until you have a better understanding of the mechanics and would recommend finding a station in a slow system with open slots. However, that being said the best way to learn is to do something so if you want to go through the process of setting up a POS or Corp, more power to you and best of luck.
Hestan Kado
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-08-09 03:04:17 UTC
Very good info, thank you. I will do some more looking to try and find some station with lower que times as well as look through those links
Sydney Burnam
Scarfield Industries
#4 - 2012-08-09 16:35:03 UTC
You could also create your own corp and join a research alliance such as New Eden Research.

Read more here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=37600
Huttan Funaila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-08-09 17:27:53 UTC
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From my limited searching, I see that slots for research jobs have a queue around 30 days in most places before the research can even begin. Is this something to be expected and I should just plan more long term with my industry plans?
In the beginning, yes. With the 1-month lead times, you'll make lots of mistakes, but that will be part of the learning experience.

High sec copy times typically have 3 week wait times.
High sec time efficiency research slots are usually available "now" or in 2 days or less.
High sec invention slots are usually available "now" or in 2 days or less.

Don't forget to get your industrial character's Production Efficiency skill to 5.

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To bring a cheap T1 BPO up to decent research specs am I looking at weeks/months/longer?
For ammo, you're looking at about 1 week to get ME to a reasonable level (which I consider 0.1% or lower). For Frigates, 2-3 weeks. For Cruisers, about 4 weeks. For battleships, more than a year. In contrast, rigs can take 3 days to get to 0% waste (such as the new mercoxit rig).

BPO calculator link:
http://zofu.no-ip.de/bpo
Zinn Irate
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-08-09 18:18:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Zinn Irate
You can also create a corp with an alt, whose trained just enough to be CEO but whose standings are all neutral. Then, pay for a standings boost service. The standings boost guy joins the corp with his high standings for the particular faction that controls the space where you want to put your POS.

After a week, you have the standings you need to put up a POS. Then, you join your alt's corp, and you have one week to put up a POS before your standings fall again. But you only need standings to launch the tower, so once the tower is up, it doesn't matter what your standings are.

The service cost about $200mil depending on who you go with.