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Bug with the Retriever's Ore Hold

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Niaht
#21 - 2012-08-09 16:52:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Niaht
Akita T wrote:
Niaht wrote:
literally never had Eve installed on this computer prior to today, so there was no prior cache. I'll still give it a shot in the morning.

Eh, no chance of a cache issue then, sadly Ugh
I guess it's just a bug.
Did you post it in the official feedback thread and/or bugreport it ?


No, not yet. Rookie reporting in here.. Please post links, and I'll do.

Edit: No longer needed, see CCP post below.
Niaht
#22 - 2012-08-09 16:56:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Niaht
DarthNefarius wrote:
lol I think every1 wih sense is semi-AFK mining with retrievers due to their not being worth it to gank or the payout's over T2 exhumors like I figured they would 2 weeks ago, huh?


Not quite right.. due to hulkageddon there are plenty of pilots out there who just want to watch the world burn, and get kills for their rep.. They could care less about your cargo or worth (though they will still gladly scrape your sad remains when they are done with you). If you are a miner, you are a target. Edit: they could care less about their own losses either.

So, fly safe ;)
CCP Paradox
#23 - 2012-08-09 17:00:51 UTC
A fix will be rolled out tomorrow. Thank you to the guys who bug reported this.

CCP Paradox | EVE QA | Team Phenomenon

Space Magician
Ginger Barbarella
#24 - 2012-08-09 17:13:19 UTC
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
Look guys, you can't expect CCP to launch a patch that works properly. That's a totally unreasonable expectation.


This wins the thread. Lol

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Sarik Olecar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2012-08-09 17:41:01 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
lol I think every1 wih sense is semi-AFK mining with retrievers due to their not being worth it to gank or the payout's over T2 exhumors like I figured they would 2 weeks ago, huh?


7k ehp retrievers aren't worth ganking?

weird


7k? Good god, at least stick a DCU2 on that thing...

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Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
#26 - 2012-08-09 17:46:15 UTC
How much ore could an ore hold hold if an ore hold could hold ore?

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Makari Aeron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-08-09 18:00:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Makari Aeron
Pak Narhoo wrote:

Not sure if this is the case here but confirming maximum filling up cans or holds can lead to 1+1/=2 errors. Pirate


Here's my theory on that based on my knowledge of array copying:
This happens because of how CCP handles the drag and drop onto a stack. From what I can gather, if you have 1500m3 in a 3000m3 can and then add another 1500m3 by trying to stack it on top, it won't fit because the system adds all the items to the inventory first thus making the cargohold full. At the same time, it clones the first item puts the cloned item in to the old stack and deletes the original. Rinse and repeat.

My reasoning: if your items are 1m3 a piece and you stack 1499m3 into a 3000m3 can with 1500m3 already in it, no issues occur.

Where as if you don't try to stack them and instead after moving the new stack into the can and then select "stack all", it simply merges them by add then total numbers.

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Chokichi Ozuwara
Perkone
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-08-09 19:42:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Chokichi Ozuwara
Pipa Porto wrote:
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
Look guys, you can't expect CCP to launch a patch that works properly. That's a totally unreasonable expectation.


Have you been on SISI testing and filing bug reports?

Don't start this crap with me. I pay money to play the game. I am not paid to, nor am I obligated to perform testing.

This crap about "if you don't test, you can't complain" is similar to the retardation, "if you don't vote, you can't complain".

On the contrary, because players supposedly test (and are subsequently ignored anyway) for CCP, there is this false sense that some sort of Q&A is happening, when nothing could be further from the truth. It's not unlike the delusion that individual votes matter in a modern liberal democracy with millions of constituents.

This sort of crap reasoning is meant to make people who engage in futility and endorse failure, feel good about themselves, and I won't have it Ruby, as you're someone who we all expect much more from.

Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round.
Pipa Porto
#29 - 2012-08-09 19:55:21 UTC
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
Look guys, you can't expect CCP to launch a patch that works properly. That's a totally unreasonable expectation.


Have you been on SISI testing and filing bug reports?

Don't start this crap with me. I pay money to play the game. I am not paid to, nor am I obligated to perform testing.

This crap about "if you don't test, you can't complain" is similar to the retardation, "if you don't vote, you can't complain".

On the contrary, because players supposedly test (and are subsequently ignored anyway) for CCP, there is this false sense that some sort of Q&A is happening, when nothing could be further from the truth. It's not unlike the delusion that individual votes matter in a modern liberal democracy with millions of constituents.

This sort of crap reasoning is meant to make people who engage in futility and endorse failure, feel good about themselves, and I won't have it Ruby, as you're someone who we all expect much more from.


You're getting free expansions, unlike most other MMOs where you have to pay for expansions on top of your subscription. Oh, and they still get nasty bugs all the time (one of which the CDC has had some fun studying).

Improving EVE is a collaborative process between a small company and its customers. More people stress testing new code = better chance of catching bugs.

If you wan't to talk about "endorsing failure," saying that voting or testing doesn't matter fits the bill, since not trying is an absolute assurance of failure.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#30 - 2012-08-09 19:57:43 UTC
Wardeccing all miners in this thread.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)
Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#31 - 2012-08-09 20:02:19 UTC
CCP Paradox wrote:
A fix will be rolled out tomorrow. Thank you to the guys who bug reported this.


Now if you could just fix people who troll a bonafide bug report Roll

I'm an American, English is my second language...
Chokichi Ozuwara
Perkone
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-08-09 20:05:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Chokichi Ozuwara
Pipa Porto wrote:
You're getting free expansions, unlike most other MMOs where you have to pay for expansions on top of your subscription.

That's not free. In the larger software world, innovation is part of the subscription model. You're talking to someone who has run a couple successful subscription businesses online. Without updates, people unsub. It's part of the churn process.

Pipa Porto wrote:
Improving EVE is a collaborative process between a small company and its customers. More people stress testing new code = better chance of catching bugs.

It's irrelevant if they launch the code with the bugs and ignore the feedback. Like the CSM, it's bread and circuses. A dog and pony show.

No decent software company relies on unpaid, likely unqualified third party testers as their Q&A process. I suggest you do some more research into software development processes before making nonsensical claims about "the glory of the motherland"

Pipa Porto wrote:
If you wan't to talk about "endorsing failure," saying that voting or testing doesn't matter fits the bill, since not trying is an absolute assurance of failure.

You're too intelligent to post nonsense like this, so I will remind you one more time to avoid doing so.

Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round.
Pipa Porto
#33 - 2012-08-09 20:14:28 UTC
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
"Pipa Porto-You're getting free expansions, unlike most other MMOs where you have to pay for expansions on top of your subscription."
That's not free. In the larger software world, innovation is part of the subscription model. You're talking to someone who has run a couple successful subscription businesses online. Without updates, people unsub. It's part of the churn process.


And those updates don't have bugs? Anyway, CCP is competing in the MMO world, where the standard is Subs+Expansion.

Quote:
"Improving EVE is a collaborative process between a small company and its customers. More people stress testing new code = better chance of catching bugs."
It's irrelevant if they launch the code with the bugs and ignore the feedback. Like the CSM, it's bread and circuses. A dog and pony show.

No decent software company relies on unpaid, likely unqualified third party testers as their Q&A process. I suggest you do some more research into software development processes before making nonsensical claims about "the glory of the motherland"


Then what are all these "Beta Tests" I keep hearing big gaming companies inviting people to participate in?

Quote:

Pipa Porto wrote:
If you wan't to talk about "endorsing failure," saying that voting or testing doesn't matter fits the bill, since not trying is an absolute assurance of failure.

You're too intelligent to post nonsense like this, so I will remind you one more time to avoid doing so.


What, not being blindly cynical is not a sign of being stupid now? Ok.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-08-09 20:22:39 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
lol I think every1 wih sense is semi-AFK mining with retrievers due to their not being worth it to gank or the payout's over T2 exhumors like I figured they would 2 weeks ago, huh?


yes, but you don't need sense to solo mine in hulk.

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Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-08-09 21:25:45 UTC
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
No decent software company relies on unpaid, likely unqualified third party testers as their Q&A process. I suggest you do some more research into software development processes before making nonsensical claims about "the glory of the motherland"




Umm Microsoft, (Vista or Millenium anyone) and just about every computer games publisher for the last 10 years....



Tal


I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Chokichi Ozuwara
Perkone
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-08-10 01:56:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Chokichi Ozuwara
Pipa Porto wrote:
And those updates don't have bugs? Anyway, CCP is competing in the MMO world, where the standard is Subs+Expansion.

And they are competing in the larger software world, where subscription rates are directly tied to game innovation and progression.

Very few people would be playing Eve if it was the 2005 version today. CCP knows that.

Pipa Porto wrote:
Then what are all these "Beta Tests" I keep hearing big gaming companies inviting people to participate in?

Beta testing is different than launching unqualified patches. Are you remotely familiar with Q&A methodologies?

Pipa Porto wrote:
What, not being blindly cynical is not a sign of being stupid now? Ok.

It has nothing to do with your level of cynicism, but rather your desire to spin the conversation from facts of the situation into abstract tradeoffs and false dilemmas.

It's below you, you're brighter than that.

Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round.
Ghost Frog
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-08-10 01:59:33 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
Look guys, you can't expect CCP to launch a patch that works properly. That's a totally unreasonable expectation.


Have you been on SISI testing and filing bug reports?

Did CCP hire us for that task? I thought the deal was to let us pay for the privilege of performing QA.
Chokichi Ozuwara
Perkone
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-08-10 02:02:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Chokichi Ozuwara
Rats wrote:
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
No decent software company relies on unpaid, likely unqualified third party testers as their Q&A process. I suggest you do some more research into software development processes before making nonsensical claims about "the glory of the motherland"



Umm Microsoft,



I said decent software company (and your example is nonsequitur anyway).

Look, if you're going to reply, make it a good one. Don't waste my time or the time of others here.

Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round.
Pipa Porto
#39 - 2012-08-10 03:31:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
And those updates don't have bugs? Anyway, CCP is competing in the MMO world, where the standard is Subs+Expansion.

And they are competing in the larger software world, where subscription rates are directly tied to game innovation and progression.

Very few people would be playing Eve if it was the 2005 version today. CCP knows that.

Pipa Porto wrote:
Then what are all these "Beta Tests" I keep hearing big gaming companies inviting people to participate in?

Beta testing is different than launching unqualified patches. Are you remotely familiar with Q&A methodologies?

Pipa Porto wrote:
What, not being blindly cynical is not a sign of being stupid now? Ok.

It has nothing to do with your level of cynicism, but rather your desire to spin the conversation from facts of the situation into abstract tradeoffs and false dilemmas.

It's below you, you're brighter than that.


1) CCP Is competing with MMOs, where the standard Subscription model has Subscribers paying for access (monthly sub) plus expansions. CCP's Sub Price is not higher than its competitors. Nowhere did I say CCP shouldn't put out expansions.

2) The quality and volume of Beta testers is related to the smoothness of the release. Releasing patches to SISI is beta testing the patch. The patch that (per the standard MMO sub model) is free to the players.
2a) Game companies release buggy games all the time. They're writing incredibly complex software for people who are going to run right out and find corner cases. Perfection is not an industry standard in gaming.

Examples:
Blizzard > D3
Rockstar > Bully

Both released with major problems. Both released by leaders in the industry.

3) And yeah, if you don't vote, you don't get to complain about who's in office. If you don't hunt bugs, you don't get to complain that you find the bugs after they get to TQ. Decisions are made by those who show up. If you show up and are ignored, then feel free to complain.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Frying Doom
#40 - 2012-08-10 03:42:27 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
Look guys, you can't expect CCP to launch a patch that works properly. That's a totally unreasonable expectation.


Have you been on SISI testing and filing bug reports?

Don't start this crap with me. I pay money to play the game. I am not paid to, nor am I obligated to perform testing.

This crap about "if you don't test, you can't complain" is similar to the retardation, "if you don't vote, you can't complain".

On the contrary, because players supposedly test (and are subsequently ignored anyway) for CCP, there is this false sense that some sort of Q&A is happening, when nothing could be further from the truth. It's not unlike the delusion that individual votes matter in a modern liberal democracy with millions of constituents.

This sort of crap reasoning is meant to make people who engage in futility and endorse failure, feel good about themselves, and I won't have it Ruby, as you're someone who we all expect much more from.


You're getting free expansions, unlike most other MMOs where you have to pay for expansions on top of your subscription. Oh, and they still get nasty bugs all the time (one of which the CDC has had some fun studying).

Improving EVE is a collaborative process between a small company and its customers. More people stress testing new code = better chance of catching bugs.

If you wan't to talk about "endorsing failure," saying that voting or testing doesn't matter fits the bill, since not trying is an absolute assurance of failure.

As CCP is not one of the huge MMO companies you can expect some bugs to be in the final realease, it is not like the massive income Blizzard gets allowing them to release there wonderful bug free patches...Oh wait...

As to the you pay for the game, yes you do but if you take into account you are also paying for expansions as well, you are actually paying a lot less than some other MMO's with payed expansions.

Oh and if you Don't Vote, You are in fact voting for your Candidate Silence.. If you can not be bothered voting why the hell should you have a say in the process? You chose to opt out of it!

I included Pipa Porto's comments for clarity

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!