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Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2012-08-09 16:00:53 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:

Go ahead and keep flying, it just means that I am preventing you from doing anything else which is what I would probably be getting paid to do.

Jump clone, fly out to the ass end of the verse, whatever, as long as you are online I will track you down. High sec, low sec, null sec, wormholes, missions, or complexes, if someone says they want these players dead then nothing will stop me from accomplishing that.


Well ok lol, have fun!

Aruken Marr wrote:

Your attitude is all wrong. If they fly cheap and don't give a **** i.e. are comfortable with the fact that pvp is an area of the game theyre not good at but can be with practice much like everybody else who has ever played this game then why should they care if they end up on a kb. throw 10 noob **** fit frigates at a BC the worse that could happen is they'd lose 10 **** fit frigates obviously the best case would be that 10 low skill carebears just face raped a ~leet~ pvp hisec war ******.


If they don't want to PvP, they shouldn't have to. Why should they be forced to pad their KB?


Mate if anyone gives a **** about their KB stats when fighting hisec indi corp then theyre a joke.

You'll find that the types who dont want to pvp are the types who have little to no experience in it. Encouraging them not to engage in something they know nothing about (and assume that they won't enjoy) is just a really bad attitude. I'd much rather encourage people to take those lemons and start pelting leet pvpers to death with them. Like I've said before if they lose a few cheap ships why should they care? The only risk they're really taking is having fun.
Laucian Aramil
Sonic Industries
#42 - 2012-08-09 16:01:54 UTC
Claudia Heti wrote:
I should probably state this is based on a personal problem but not all the scenarios apply to us, like the sitting docked up, we are fully willing to stand up for ourselfs. What I am trying to say is we shouldn't be forced to PvP, we enjoy doing other things but can't do it if we are war deced.


Greetings,

As has been so repetitively pointed out; You Don't Have An Option other than:

1. FIGHT BACK
2. Hire someone with bigger guns

WarDecs vs hi sec industrial corps is part of life in EVE. Trust me, i'm fully aware <note alliance name...>

You might also consider where it is that you're operating. Stay away from hubs if your mining because it makes you VISIBLE to war mongers. Security by obscurity is a high risk industrialists best friend. Large caliber turrets are a quick second...

Guerrilla warfare in EVE is a blast and you hardly ever get permission to kill other players in hi sec. Great opportunity to fit a pile of rifters/punishers/whatever-is-cheap and have a blast.

Grab em by the ballz and shoot back!!
Jim Era
#43 - 2012-08-09 16:02:30 UTC
Claudia Heti wrote:
I should probably state this is based on a personal problem but not all the scenarios apply to us, like the sitting docked up, we are fully willing to stand up for ourselfs. What I am trying to say is we shouldn't be forced to PvP, we enjoy doing other things but can't do it if we are war deced.


stop
you are ruining EVE with your terrible ways. go away if you don't want to risk death.
You are not forced to ever PvP, you can just hire mercs who will stand by you 24/7 and continue going about your merry way.
You are too cheap to avoid PvP, yet complain about it. Don't say "but I'm new I don't have ISK" because if it was really worth it, buy a PLEX and boom, moneyz

Wat™
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#44 - 2012-08-09 16:03:00 UTC
Anslo wrote:
You're telling me that jump cloning 40 jumps away would not allow them to mine or mission? Living in a wormhole or nul wouldn't either?
Depends on the aggressor. It also depends on whether or not the corp is able to do that — if they've built up rep and offices and POSes and whathaevyou in one area, going 40 jumps away or into other sec levels will be even more bothersome for them than for the aggressors.

Quote:
Playing on alts to do the same thing wouldn't as well? Warp stabs won't let them fly around to trade?
Playing on alts will not let them use the corp they've built, no, and unless they've duplicated their mains with those alts, they will not be able to use them to do the same things. Flying with stabs will work the first time for trading… but it will not let them do the things the OP listed, no.
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#45 - 2012-08-09 16:03:03 UTC
Welcome to EVE.

If you aren't willing to even try and fight, don't expect to be able to carry on with your head in the sand. Look upon this as an opportunity to learn. It's up to you to take the opportunity or stay docked up and upset that you can't play the game without being affected by anyone else.

You may wish to consider how you affect the game for a short time, though you may not think you do, I guarantee you that you have affected it by your actions.

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.
Anslo
Scope Works
#46 - 2012-08-09 16:05:56 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Anslo wrote:
You're telling me that jump cloning 40 jumps away would not allow them to mine or mission? Living in a wormhole or nul wouldn't either?
Depends on the aggressor. It also depends on whether or not the corp is able to do that — if they've built up rep and offices and POSes and whathaevyou in one area, going 40 jumps away or into other sec levels will be even more bothersome for them than for the aggressors.

Quote:
Playing on alts to do the same thing wouldn't as well? Warp stabs won't let them fly around to trade?
Playing on alts will not let them use the corp they've built, no, and unless they've duplicated their mains with those alts, they will not be able to use them to do the same things. Flying with stabs will work the first time for trading… but it will not let them do the things the OP listed, no.


I doubt a small indi corp like them have POS's etc already, though I agree. But it would let them continue to play, while being an annoyance. I said my methods will let you continue, not continue efficiently, but continue.

The alts can just be in an alt corp. Keep mining, missioning, whatever. Doesn't have to be in corp. Just transfer money to the corp mains and be done with it.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Nuela
WoT Misfits
#47 - 2012-08-09 16:11:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Nuela
Don't hire mercs. They don't help.

Don't try to fight back. If you fight back the wardeccers will not fight.

You have to understand Hisec wardeccers. They don't want to fight. They just want easy kills. If you stand up to them they will play station games and other stupid crap to snipe you off avoiding a fight.

I have had much experience as a PvE pilot in an 'industry' corp in hisec suffering under wardecs. Here is my .02 isk:

- You can mission under wardec. In fact, it is good experience. Mission in a system with few people in it and watch local. Learn to Dscan and get used to doing it all the time even if non wartargets in system because they will use neutral alts to probe you down. It isn't hard and becomes second nature after awhile. Good experience if you ever want to go to NPC pirate space or wormholes. For hisec you need a neutral alt or two to check out gates before you go through. Again, good experience for pirate NPC space or null (or lowsec). You can mission with not much risk. I imagine you can rat, explore, mine much the same way just watch local like a hawk for wartargets.

- Have multiple jump clones set up far apart stocked to do your missions/preferred PvE. If you get beseiged in a station you can jump clone far away and do your thing there. Leave the beseigers at an empty station.

- Use the opportunity to explore lowsec. Mission /PvE there. Wardeccers seem to be hesitant to come after/camp you in low but some do so still be careful....which you will have to be anyway because you are in losec. :) Again, good experience.

- BEST OPTION (if you can). Be a part of a null sec alliance with territory or renting from one. This way if you are wardecced, jump clone to null sec and carry on. Let the wardeccers look for you in hisec all they want.

Above all remember this:

Your best weapon against wardeccers is.......boredom. Bore them to death and they will go away. The trick is that your corpies cannot be bored during this time or they will leave. Wardecs provide a 'spice' to your routine...and excuse to do new things. Some corpies will be inflexible but they are best discarded from your corp anyway. If you have stupid corpies giving the wardeccers easy kills then the wardeccers will hang around. Use wardecs to spice your corp activities/keep from going stale...to find and eliminate stupid and/or inflexible people from your corp and to practice skills for surviving in tougher space.

edit - if you need to go Afk, fix dinner go to a movie...sleep, work etc....log in your toon and let it sit in a station. Adds to the boredom of wardeccers when they look for targets. Also helps to obscure when you are actually doing something.
Nuela
WoT Misfits
#48 - 2012-08-09 16:12:53 UTC
In addition, I think hisec wardecs are a good thing. I just wish they worked better.

The reason I think they are a good thing is that in Eve, as in many MMOs, there are too many tiny corps that can't do much. There needs to be pressure to kill them off and get those people into somewhat larger corps.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#49 - 2012-08-09 16:15:01 UTC
Anslo wrote:

You're telling me that jump cloning 40 jumps away would not allow them to mine or mission? Living in a wormhole or nul wouldn't either?


I do believe I said that. As long as you are logged in I can find you. 40 jumps will buy you maybe ten minutes of playtime. The jumclone will just be wasted and you will have to wait another 24 hours before you can waste it again.

Anslo wrote:
Playing on alts to do the same thing wouldn't as well? Warp stabs won't let them fly around to trade?


Alts are an effective source, if they are out of the corp. Though not everybody has an alt.

Joe Phoenix learned that slapping a rack full of stabs won't stop an determined enemy, maybe you will too.

Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel **IG OOPE **
Nuela
WoT Misfits
#50 - 2012-08-09 16:26:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Nuela
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Anslo wrote:

You're telling me that jump cloning 40 jumps away would not allow them to mine or mission? Living in a wormhole or nul wouldn't either?


I do believe I said that. As long as you are logged in I can find you. 40 jumps will buy you maybe ten minutes of playtime. The jumclone will just be wasted and you will have to wait another 24 hours before you can waste it again.


You are an exception, in my experience.


When I missioned under wardecs, there would be a flurry of activity to 'get me' at the start and at the end. At the start because I was around. It would wane when they realized I was a harder to get target. Finally at the end because, I imagine, they thought I would let down my guard during the 24 hours between wardec withdrawn and the stop of hostilities.
Eternal Error
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2012-08-09 16:28:34 UTC
Working as intended. Inferno drastically raised costs and gave you free allies, what more do you want?
Togg Bott
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2012-08-09 16:33:20 UTC
the very first corp i belonged to was very small (5-6 members) we were all mission runners/industrialist/miners. we were war decced and the deccing corp even demanded 500 million to drop the dec. instead of paying the balckmail. we went and bought 500 mill worth of ships and fittings.

we then jump cloned into blank clones and went out hunting. we had loads of fun, we killed a couple of their pilots with no losses on our side. if you do the same you'll only risk having fun.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#53 - 2012-08-09 16:46:56 UTC
Nuela wrote:
Don't hire mercs. They don't help.

Don't try to fight back. If you fight back the wardeccers will not fight.

You have to understand Hisec wardeccers. They don't want to fight. They just want easy kills. If you stand up to them they will play station games and other stupid crap to snipe you off avoiding a fight.

(stuff)


Your best weapon against wardeccers is.......boredom. Bore them to death and they will go away. The trick is that your corpies cannot be bored during this time or they will leave. Wardecs provide a 'spice' to your routine...and excuse to do new things. Some corpies will be inflexible but they are best discarded from your corp anyway. If you have stupid corpies giving the wardeccers easy kills then the wardeccers will hang around. Use wardecs to spice your corp activities/keep from going stale...to find and eliminate stupid and/or inflexible people from your corp and to practice skills for surviving in tougher space.

edit - if you need to go Afk, fix dinner go to a movie...sleep, work etc....log in your toon and let it sit in a station. Adds to the boredom of wardeccers when they look for targets. Also helps to obscure when you are actually doing something.



You're right, but TBH the OP *should* fight back.

hisec decs are for easy kills, sure. Make yourself NOT an easy kill, and they'll go away

If you do get a kill or two on them (sometimes, even if you just stand up to them), then they'll hide in station. Sure it's boring to camp someone in station ... but it's less boring than being the one camped in station.

Set up traps on the gates in your secondary mission system(s) ...

Use EWAR (that pisses them off to no end Cool).

Worst case scenario is you get the dec extended for a second week ... though most of the hisec dec corps will move on if you're not just an easy kill...

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#54 - 2012-08-09 16:47:51 UTC
Nuela wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Anslo wrote:

You're telling me that jump cloning 40 jumps away would not allow them to mine or mission? Living in a wormhole or nul wouldn't either?


I do believe I said that. As long as you are logged in I can find you. 40 jumps will buy you maybe ten minutes of playtime. The jumclone will just be wasted and you will have to wait another 24 hours before you can waste it again.


You are an exception, in my experience.


When I missioned under wardecs, there would be a flurry of activity to 'get me' at the start and at the end. At the start because I was around. It would wane when they realized I was a harder to get target. Finally at the end because, I imagine, they thought I would let down my guard during the 24 hours between wardec withdrawn and the stop of hostilities.



You are correct, I am an exception. Many deccers simply hope to catch the mission boat at a gate or in a belt and be done with it. The fallacy here is that pve'rs get lazy and think this way about every corp until players like me come along. Mission pockets won't hide you from the scanners and to me that is the best time to catch them because they don't expect it.

Now I should note that depending on corp size will determine how determined I am at chasing you. If many of you are logged on then I will simply hunt down your corpmates who you just abandoned. If its one or 2 of you then its safari time. My job is to hunt so flying 40 systems is part of my fun. If you go through that much trouble and I still catch you its just that much more satisfying.

Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel **IG OOPE **
Cede Forster
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#55 - 2012-08-09 16:51:22 UTC
make the war mutual, at least they can not chicken out then
Ginger Barbarella
#56 - 2012-08-09 16:53:07 UTC
If you think you're being harassed file a petition.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Mag's
Azn Empire
#57 - 2012-08-09 16:54:51 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
If you think you're being harassed file a petition.
Yea because those queues aren't long enough already. So let's waste more time on useless petitions.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#58 - 2012-08-09 17:01:56 UTC
This is too funny you got one merc who claims you can't get away. False
and others who scream get some balls. Why when the person the war dec'd the OP obviously doesn't have any.

Basically OP it comes down to people don't won't you to get out of a wardec.
You can and it doesn't have to be complicated as jump clones or time intensive you just need to be creative.

It may not be the perfect answer you are looking for but EVE is not about giving answers it is about solving your own problems.



EVERYBODY KNOWS
Medarr
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2012-08-09 17:08:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Medarr
Claudia Heti wrote:

I should probably state this is based on a personal problem but not all the scenarios apply to us, like the sitting docked up, we are fully willing to stand up for ourselfs. What I am trying to say is we shouldn't be forced to PvP, we enjoy doing other things but can't do it if we are war deced.



And that is where you got it horribly wrong or are a troll...
As soon as you log into eve you CONSENT to nonconcentual PVP


/thread
Ginger Barbarella
#60 - 2012-08-09 17:10:21 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
If you think you're being harassed file a petition.
Yea because those queues aren't long enough already. So let's waste more time on useless petitions.


Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it? Think about it for a couple seconds, unless you start to get a headache from the exertion.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac