Market Discussions

average number traded before the patch is irrelevant as before the patch they were useless for anything but building skiffs.

Too late, I already made my One-hundred Million ISK weeks ago!!!

[Had I waited till after they announced the build cost changes I would've made 5 billion... :(]

The Procurers (and Retrievers... some of us are building those too...) will sell. Considering that ME research does not much affect the build cost of either barge (yet?), mineral prices would have to fall about 20% for Procurer build cost to be 18M. Retrievers are currently way under build cost by like 25% or more. It will take some time for mineral prices to fall that low. So as long as people are buying them and using them, the inventory will move. And one thing about EvE is that all ships blow up. :-)

But, yeah, there's a lot of competition between those of us who have built thousands of Barges at pre-patch cost. They will sell...

Hmm a person could have checked the sales rate of procurers and retrievers weeks before the patch and then have an idea of how long it will take for the market to use up over supply of several hundred thousand extra barges. Part of the key here is that if you sell a barge cheaper than someone can make it themselves then you will have a market for all of the over supply vs someone building their own to avoid high costs.

But the job of getting all these barges to markets. The main market hubs only account for 35% of the daily barge sales traffic.
The rest of the sales come from remote eve areas. An enterprising player will be able to find under utilized markets easy enough.

Do I now.

highly depends on when they will come out of poduction ;)

Is this realy true? Might be worth a petition to see if dev intll got leaked out and used for personal advantage...

The changes weren't in the devblog or even (as I recall) in the patch notes but they were definitely on sisi.

^This

Confirming I have 10.2k in build. When you have trillions, you don't invest for the short term. You find no brainer hits, pile a few 10's of billions into it, and slowly cash out over time. We spend a great deal of our time forecasting game mechanics and multi year speculation. No one cares that there are now years of procurer stocks out there except the little guys, and they are sold out of the market soon enough anyway.

Just yesterday alone I had 25 people tell me that CCP nerfed their mining ships. Their cargo hold is so tiny it can not hold any ore they tell me. Now I say look at your ore hold. What ore hold they ask?

Care to revise your thinking at all.

I find 90% of the players in EVE only source of knowledge is what they learn in chat.
Then many players do not explain all of the subtle differences in chat either.
So these 90% of EVE players only have basic game knowledge and do not even apply that very well.

Point in fact, it is not only miners, I was a target of a gank attempt yesterday as well in my retriever.
A cata tried and failed and it was fit to gank an old style retriever.
A ganker that missed the memo.

So yes you give eve players far far too much credit.

What I really mean by this, before it was easy, if you are a miner you trained for the hulk the best miner.
It was common chat room knowledge. Now each miner has a purpose, which means one size does not fit all.
So every miner has to pick which one fits them. What they have to think about this and apply knowledge that they do not have to begin with? They only want to be told in chat what ship to use and what is the best loadout for it.
Read and learn about the differences is too hard, then make their own choice, and the fittings can be different as well, depending on use, now you just threw them for another loop.

And we are not talking about noob players either as most of these guys have hulks and have been using them for 6 months or more.

Yea far far too much credit.