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CCP is going to punishing not so intelligent pilots for staying afk in anomalies?

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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#21 - 2012-08-09 12:42:32 UTC
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:
As a drone user, I would be pretty insulted by this.

If you (CCP) don't want people to drop drones and then AFK, perhaps you shoud...gasp...change the way the drones work?

Unless someone is using a macro or autokey or some third party program, as far as I see it they are making use of ONLY game mechanics. Game mechanics YOU created. And you are going to take punitive action against people playing the game you made in a specific way? Hardly seems fair.


LMAO! I'm usually wiser then point at the tear buckets but in this case.... Lol
CCP just changes their game mechanics so you actually have to PLAY the game.
You know games you do play?

Crying that you cannot go afk while some automated game mechanic does all the work for you, that's really sad.
Maybe the people behind Hulkageddon should point their attention to these AFK mission farming carriers as well. I don't see much difference with AFK miners here.
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Nomad I
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-08-09 12:42:57 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Sounds like you're up to something fishy, if you're not doing anything wrong what does it matter if someone is watching?


You like it, when the eve community is watching you while you are in the shower, because you have nothing done wrong?
Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#23 - 2012-08-09 12:44:53 UTC
This quite clearly isn't going to be some nazi "if you don't move your mouse every 30 secs you die" crap. More likely, not doing anything while undocked for two full hours gets you popped. And CCP are far more likely just to auto log you off instead of concordokening yo ass.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#24 - 2012-08-09 12:45:08 UTC
Its not done with carriers, its done with Domis and sentry drones. You put remote reps in the Domi's highs, target all the sentries and rr them, and activate the domi's own repper. Then go afk indefinitely.

I think the issue here is the magnitude of the situation. You can do this all day. Even mining afk the hold fills in less than an hour, and the activity stops.

Still Im a little surprised at this ruling as no botting program is in use. I would have thought CCP would just quietly nerf the activity by changing the way complexes work.

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#25 - 2012-08-09 12:49:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Chribba
Nomad I wrote:
Chribba wrote:
Sounds like you're up to something fishy, if you're not doing anything wrong what does it matter if someone is watching?


You like it, when the eve community is watching you while you are in the shower, because you have nothing done wrong?

How does that even apply?

That might be valid is if it's in my rental agreement that I can be monitored in the shower. You watching me showering does not apply one bit unless you are my landlord. In which case I might rethink renting from you.

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Traedar
InterStellar Trading Syndicate
#26 - 2012-08-09 12:52:18 UTC
Nomad I wrote:
Sreegs posted:

Sreegs wrote:
It has come to our attention recently that there are pilots in New Eden engaging in AFK Complex farming. Specific examples of this include such activities as warping into a particular room in a complex, dropping sentry drones, then going to do your laundry or perhaps watch a 24 hour Lazytown marathon. As such our automated systems will continue to detect and institute administrative actions for this activity.




Shocked

I can't watch LazyTown??? Next you'll tell me not to watch Super Why!
Nomad I
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-08-09 12:53:06 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Its not done with carriers, its done with Domis and sentry drones. You put remote reps in the Domi's highs, target all the sentries and rr them, and activate the domi's own repper. Then go afk indefinitely.

I think the issue here is the magnitude of the situation. You can do this all day. Even mining afk the hold fills in less than an hour, and the activity stops.

Still Im a little surprised at this ruling as no botting program is in use. I would have thought CCP would just quietly nerf the activity by changing the way complexes work.


I didn't know that and I don't use drones since the Tengu is in the game because they are so ineffective. But announcing something like your action may be decided to be against our rules, that aren't working as intended, is silly.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2012-08-09 12:58:40 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
I think the issue here is the magnitude of the situation. You can do this all day. Even mining afk the hold fills in less than an hour, and the activity stops.


Exactly.

It's one thing if you're in a Skiff that scoops up a full hold of ore in 30-40 minutes or in an Ishtar that cleans up a 0.0 anomaly (which doesn't respawn NPCs after the last wave) in 30 minutes. It's a COMPLETELY different issue if you're in a Dominix that is keeping its sentries repped and shooting NPCs that continuously respawn, over and over, with absolutely no limit as to how long it sustains itself, anywhere from 10 minutes to DT.

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Pilna Vcelka
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-08-09 12:59:17 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Its not done with carriers, its done with Domis and sentry drones. You put remote reps in the Domi's highs, target all the sentries and rr them, and activate the domi's own repper. Then go afk indefinitely.


I wonder how exactly would the scenario change if the player was actually watching the screen for the whole time?? Would you notice a difference? I guess not.
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#30 - 2012-08-09 13:00:59 UTC
You're all reading this wrong:

"My algorithms detect this as botting. Although it's not, changing that would require I admit to false positives, therefore what the algorithm declares is botting is botting"

it's a game design issue that team security has no business being in, they're just there because they want to keep that "we never have false positives' nonsense from the minutes
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2012-08-09 13:02:10 UTC
Pilna Vcelka wrote:
I wonder how exactly would the scenario change if the player was actually watching the screen for the whole time?? Would you notice a difference? I guess not.


It's completely hands-off isk making. It sustains itself indefinitely. Of course they don't care whether you're sitting there watching the screen or not - it requires absolutely no player action to sustain after setting up.

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EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#32 - 2012-08-09 13:03:37 UTC
there's many forms of passive income making left in the game v0v

it's not a team security decision,they just are throwing a fit their algorithms are detecting false positives and defining that away
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2012-08-09 13:05:26 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
there's many forms of passive income making left in the game v0v

it's not a team security decision,they just are throwing a fit their algorithms are detecting false positives and defining that away


you have to admit that comparing this to PI, datacores, market orders or whatever is a bit of a stretch because the extent of their setup is a little more involved than "warp to complex, land, launch sentries, lock, rep, go to work"

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EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#34 - 2012-08-09 13:08:20 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
EvilweaselSA wrote:
there's many forms of passive income making left in the game v0v

it's not a team security decision,they just are throwing a fit their algorithms are detecting false positives and defining that away


you have to admit that comparing this to PI, datacores, market orders or whatever is a bit of a stretch because the extent of their setup is a little more involved than "warp to complex, land, launch sentries, lock, rep, go to work"

it doesn't really matter: passive income is clearly not banned, the only reason team security is here is because their algorithms are detecting false positives

if i were in game design i'd tweak it, and i'd have no issues were game design to do that
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#35 - 2012-08-09 13:09:38 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
You're all reading this wrong:

"My algorithms detect this as botting. Although it's not, changing that would require I admit to false positives, therefore what the algorithm declares is botting is botting"

it's a game design issue that team security has no business being in, they're just there because they want to keep that "we never have false positives' nonsense from the minutes

Does not wash. By making this ruling they are admitting they made a mistake in how complexes work, and that needs to be changed. Either way they rule, they are saying they made a mistake.

This is not a new situation. There have been many game mechanics that people have used to their advantage and CCP said "not as intended, stop doing that". Eventually they changed the game so you could not do the activity, but until then CCP said it was not acceptable to do it.

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Nomad I
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-08-09 13:10:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Nomad I
EvilweaselSA wrote:



it doesn't really matter: passive income is clearly not banned, the only reason team security is here is because their algorithms are detecting false positives

if i were in game design i'd tweak it, and i'd have no issues were game design to do that


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Ione Hawke
Darkness Industries
#37 - 2012-08-09 13:10:56 UTC
Currently you can do all FW plexes 'afk' in a properly fit T1 frig. What do you think the average min-maxing EVE dude is going to do really?
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2012-08-09 13:14:37 UTC
Is there any particular reason why a certain room in a certain complex even has to indefinitely spawn more BS rats? Seems to me like that's the problem, not people taking advantage of it.

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EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#39 - 2012-08-09 13:15:41 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:

Does not wash. By making this ruling they are admitting they made a mistake in how complexes work, and that needs to be changed. Either way they rule, they are saying they made a mistake.

team security has no business making these rulings, especially on the basis of "that is what our botting algorithms detected"

it's entirely legitimate game behavior, and people should not be punished for it: if CCP decides they don't want it then they need to change the complex
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2012-08-09 13:16:20 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Is there any particular reason why a certain room in a certain complex even has to indefinitely spawn more BS rats? Seems to me like that's the problem, not people taking advantage of it.


telling people "stop abusing it while we fix this" as a stopgap measure is also a solution to the problem of a complex that indefinitely spawns BS rats

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