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CCP is going to punishing not so intelligent pilots for staying afk in anomalies?

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Nomad I
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-08-09 12:12:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Nomad I
Sreegs posted:

Sreegs wrote:
It has come to our attention recently that there are pilots in New Eden engaging in AFK Complex farming. Specific examples of this include such activities as warping into a particular room in a complex, dropping sentry drones, then going to do your laundry or perhaps watch a 24 hour Lazytown marathon. As such our automated systems will continue to detect and institute administrative actions for this activity.


When a pilot in his carrier is staying 24h AFK in an empty plex, it will be a high likelihood that he is experiences a new pod, when he is back behind his PC. He made no substancial ISK, because he sleept or was called by a raging wife.

I don't want to be monitored all the time and fear for my accounts, because the game mechanics CCP designed aren't working as intended.

I'm staying behind the principle that automated tools are very bad, but this is punishing the common player.


  1. This is excessive monitoring of personal activity
  2. This doesn't makes a difference between automated tools and human activity.


When CCP is going this far, that a usual plex runner loses his accounts for choosing an effective method to shoot NPC, it will be bad for the customer relationship.
Octoven
Stellar Production
#2 - 2012-08-09 12:13:46 UTC
Oooh be careful the big bad scary MOD will lock this thread and move it because its not a general discussion.
Kisumii
Astral Acquisitions Inc.
#3 - 2012-08-09 12:14:10 UTC
They are just asking you not to go AFK. Why pay for the game if you arent going to play it?
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#4 - 2012-08-09 12:15:22 UTC
I dont really see how they can tell if you are afk or not.
Octoven
Stellar Production
#5 - 2012-08-09 12:15:31 UTC
On a side note I agree with you, CCP needs to tackle more pressing concerns such as bot mining and not worrying if a player is at his keyboard or not while doing a mission.
Nomad I
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-08-09 12:15:44 UTC
Kisumii wrote:
They are just asking you not to go AFK. Why pay for the game if you arent going to play it?


I know dozens of mates who started to sleep behind their pc Lol
Jame Jarl Retief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-08-09 12:17:35 UTC
As a drone user, I would be pretty insulted by this.

If you (CCP) don't want people to drop drones and then AFK, perhaps you shoud...gasp...change the way the drones work?

Unless someone is using a macro or autokey or some third party program, as far as I see it they are making use of ONLY game mechanics. Game mechanics YOU created. And you are going to take punitive action against people playing the game you made in a specific way? Hardly seems fair.
Roxwar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-08-09 12:18:27 UTC
You guys are getting your jimmies rustled for no reason.


This comment by screegs regards certain cosmos missions where you can warp in after DT, drop sentries and basically go AFK for the next 24hrs until DT all the while BS rats keep respawning for your AFK sentries to pop.

Chill out you babies.
Goremageddon Box
Guerrilla Flotilla
#9 - 2012-08-09 12:19:22 UTC
aint gonna lie.

i log in, go afk, and post on the forums.


Deal with it.

edit: Play time.... 0 lol.
Dave Stark
#10 - 2012-08-09 12:19:29 UTC
depends how they define afk. does being tabbed out count as afk? aka just being inactive rather than actually being afk.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-08-09 12:22:47 UTC
Based on your words, i can say that you didn't think this through.

If he goes against people who are AFK and let drones do THE PLAYERS WORK,
then he's not monitoring personal behaviour,
he's monitoring personal activity !


behaviour = details of your activity. Whatever you are doing.
activity = You're doing something. Are you actually doing something ?


Indeed, it doesn't make a difference between automated tools and human behaviour,
because there *is* no difference between being afk automatically or personally. :)
Sarik Olecar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-08-09 12:24:30 UTC
Kisumii wrote:
They are just asking you not to go AFK. Why pay for the game if you arent going to play it?


I used to play X3, and once I had all my little traders set up, I would activate Time Compression and go AFK for the ingame equivalent of like a year - returning to a big fat wallet to spend on epic space battles.

It spared me the tears of grinding for money while keeping my losses more meaningful than if I had just spawned the money out of nothing.

I dunna why I brought that up, but it seems somehow appropriate...

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Nomad I
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-08-09 12:26:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Nomad I
The point is, usually a carrier in a plex is a first class target. Everyone loosing his carrier in a plex will be called [bad word]. It's not just silly to change the game mechanics because of potential targets, it's would be a regulation that is not very concrete.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#14 - 2012-08-09 12:27:47 UTC
For your info there are plexs in highs sec, cosmos mission sites that DO respawn on timers and you can AFK these all day if you want to and people do. Doing the cosmos missions youd see these guys in there and theres no way to get to the spawn container or the key other than pay these guys overpriced isk for the keys as theyd sit on the respawn points ALL day and just bot the entire thing. Then scream bloody murder as its not "true" botting if you brought it up. So yeah is this a serious issue? Yup you betcha as there are multiple rooms with many BSs that will spawn and its printing isk 24/7. So Im all for this one here.


As for CCP watching clients and accounts.... in some ways I like the idea in others to me its BIG BROTHER. Mostly cuz Im "Eve paranoid" and big bad CCP is out to get me too... along with every other pod pilot in the verse. Twisted

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Nomad I
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-08-09 12:30:31 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
For your info there are plexs in highs sec,


Carriers in highsec?
Sarik Olecar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-08-09 12:33:09 UTC
Ahhh, so this is like parking a Domi in the Azure Chasm and just letting your sentries clean house all day, erry day... Well then, carry on CCP.

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Lexmana
#17 - 2012-08-09 12:33:56 UTC
Nomad I wrote:
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
For your info there are plexs in highs sec,


Carriers in highsec?

I think they use Dominixes.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-08-09 12:35:27 UTC
Sarik Olecar wrote:
Kisumii wrote:
They are just asking you not to go AFK. Why pay for the game if you arent going to play it?


I used to play X3, and once I had all my little traders set up, I would activate Time Compression and go AFK for the ingame equivalent of like a year - returning to a big fat wallet to spend on epic space battles.

It spared me the tears of grinding for money while keeping my losses more meaningful than if I had just spawned the money out of nothing.

I dunna why I brought that up, but it seems somehow appropriate...


I played X years ago ... think it was the first part ?
Traveling was a huge time eater ... i agree with that.

The difference, though, is that X* is a solo-player-game. Not only doesn't it eat away server-ressources,
you're not gaining an advantage over others by making ISK by being in space but NOT ACTUALLY PLAYING !

Anyway ... your analogy rather sounds like you're hauling stuff and you're AFK while traveling through systems.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-08-09 12:36:17 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Nomad I wrote:
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
For your info there are plexs in highs sec,


Carriers in highsec?

I think they use Dominixes.

Aye.
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#20 - 2012-08-09 12:38:39 UTC
Sounds like you're up to something fishy, if you're not doing anything wrong what does it matter if someone is watching?

tbh it doesn't take many braincells to realize that going afk for 24 hours whlie the client earns you isk constantly is not what's intended - and as such you obviously don't want to be monitored if that's what you're doing because you know you're doing something wrong.

While it may be how it was made still it's not hard to figure out if something appears working like it should, it's like an ATM starting to spit out money, takes about 2 sec to know that it's not how it should work so when the police grabs you (assuming you've not made away with the money) you can't really play innocent and blame that you didn't know. We are smarter than that.

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