EVE General Discussion

It'll be interesting to see if those who were hurfblurfing about the "unfairness" of the "nullse control" of the CSM will succeed in mobilising hi-sec dwellers to actually click a button on a web page for CSM 7.

I can agree with this in a certain degree.

I would say make Ice more rare in high-sec, so less Ice holding systems, with that drop or lower the Ice related fuels for POS and increase the required isotopes to jump capitals.

But I totally agree that Ice belts should be depletable like the normal asteroid belts. This means those botters won't perma mine Ice and also that the market will change but not collapse as there will still be Ice on the high-sec markets (though in less quantities). If you do this and also increase the number of belts in low-sec / null-sec then players are more likely to move there as mining a rarer product to sell in highsec will mean big profits.

Move it out of High-Sec....

Why are so many people disinclined to explore the other areas of space in the game?

Want to get rich? Take risks!

Low-sec needs a boost, we need more people here and if that means miners to shoot, or combat pilots defending them then i say good!

0.0 needs a boost to indy capabilities, if moving Ice there means hat more indy types have to move there to do what they want. then win-win they make isk doing what they enjoy, 0.0 pilots get more of an industrial base in thier space. More targets to kill etc.

Botting is a seperate issue, what stops them farming ice in high-sec over 0.0 and low now? 0.0 bots aren't mining ice (mostly)!

Too many people wanting to play a Multiplayer game solo!

Does this mean CCP actually reads the concerns of people regarding threads like these and take them into consideration? One would hope so.

There are some severe cause/effect issues that would arise if ice were removed from highsec. I'm sure people have already covered the problems with maintaining pos's in high sec simply due to the massive spike in fuel prices, but even more importantly (to me) is the massive shockwaves this would have on wormhole life. You see, the first point I'd like to offer is this: People won't decide to go mine ice in low or null sec. They do so in high sec because that's simply who they are. They have no interest in areas of the game that are more dangerous; it's not a fault, it's their nature. You can't take the sand out of someone's sandbox and force them to play in someone else's... they'll simply take their bucket and shovel and go home. So what happens... well, obviously fuel dwondles and prices spike because there will be considerably less available on the market. This dramatically affects wormholes... areas of pure null space with no access to ice at all. The cost to maintain a pos in there would skyrocket, which would eventually drive many smaller corporations simply doing their own thing in the frontiers of Eve out. Will they go to null instead? No. Wormhole dwellers are the antithesis of null dwellers, favoring smaller yet more dangerous aspects of the game, the opposite of what null offers. Many will simply leave, leaving fewer wealthier corps existing in holes. Now... the cost of maintaining their pos's is still spiking, that needs to be made up somehow. The only way that can happen is on a resource that wormholes have primary control over... T3 ships and products. You'll see a massive spike on T3 ship and subroutine costs. I heard tengus were once a billion or so isk... imagine looking at that as cheap? Yeah... it'll happen as a matter of survival.

Hopefully CCP actually has someone that sits down and really, really thinks out the long term rippling effect decisions like this will have on the whole of the game. You need someone that's simply doesn't declare "Gee, it'll make more people go to null!" without actually considering human nature and reality. Removing ice from high sec would cause irreparable damage to the economy, high sec pos life and wormhole life. Such an ill-fated concept needs to be allowed to die an ignoble and lonely death.

There's already "better" ice in null than in high sec.

emphasis on the quotes

0.0 isotope ice is never ever ever worth mining and I don't think the dark glitter stuff that's 0.0 only is either

Enriched Uranium, water, robotics and mechanical parts? (Can't really justify oxygen here...)

Would be unfair to the other colors.

Look back a few posts...
http://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=174938#post174938

That's fine.