EVE General Discussion

I think this is a bit of a **** up by CCP.

Rigs were originally introduced as a positive modification to your ship at the expense of some negative modification. The only exception being Energy (Capacitor) type rigs.

By making these rigs have no drawbacks but benefitting mining efficiency/speed you're effectively making them the same as modules that will be essential on almost every mining ship (bait ships etc excluded).

Just wondered if CCP would comment on this addition and comment on how they see this fit in with rigs in general in the future. Why have any drawbacks on any rigs anymore then I think is a valid question?

Comment, speculation, abuse all welcome. Cheers.

Sig radius bloom.

The icon is drawback enough.

/c

Fit a mining rig, lose out on tank.

every electronics rig lacks drawbacks, as do PG/capacitor rigs

Energy rigs I already mentioned but yes some of the electronics rigs do have no drawbacks, but then they added the new:

Processor Overclocking Unit I - this adds CPU at the expense of like 5% shield recharge rate.

Another example of inconsistency I'm talking about. why have drawbacks at all on any rigs if CCP are now pushing them out (with consideration to balancing) as if they are just modules to be plugged into 2-3 additional slots?

Rigs were originally intended/introduced as a hard choice of weighing pros and cons. Now they're essential free slots that must be filled, however I recall Oveur saying at time of implementation (parsing from memory) "Rigs will never become madatory [to compete]" - however flying ships without rigs now would be exactly that - more so given more traits of ships are now being modded with rigs WITHOUT any drawbacks.

make sense?

The rigs are temporary placeholders until the T3 (actually modular) mining ships are deployed, and they'll be replaced with proper bonus/drawback rigs.


/seriously

And this is exactly what CCP has done, your point is moot.

The new rigs have a positive modification to the ship at the expense of the negative modification, just like you said. The expense to the negative modification is so great, that it is completely gone. We now have no negative modification with these new rigs.



Yes? Suddenly realised that what you said is not what you meant due to a poor choice of words?

Next time type what you mean.

Dont like being called out on it?

Tough, you are posting in the EVE Forums, you know what we are like in here, and you knew what you were getting yourself into when you hit the 'Post' button.

I hate this thread.

It's not that strange seeing as how they're meant to bring back the ship specialisations that were previously inherent in the hulls, and those bonuses came without any particular drawbacks. I suppose that, if they wanted to be mean, they could make it so that adding a [special space-rock]-bonus rig would create a penalty on other forms of mining, just to hammer that specialisation angle home: fit your Hulk with an ice rig and it becomes horrid for rock mining…

…but it's all really just a duplication of previous mechanics using a different system that makes every mining ship (somewhat) equally useful by default.