EVE General Discussion

I know I am going to get flamed for this but if the hulk got a role bonus of 5% better gank lin bonuses it would make it stan out more. So at max skills you wouldnt get 42.75% bouses from a rorq it would be 44.9% that would make it stand out more as a fleet ship.

Told you guys the never read or follow any dev post than this **** happens best way is to ignore the tears.

I have seen both suicide ganker and miner tears with this patch. I would call that 100% winsause.

I think they are trying to emulate PvPr's.
It looks like the numbers still have the PvP'rs out front by a large margin for patch day tears

Is that with or without people asking for a Super nerf now they are so prolific

Actually Mittens was complaining about the way Suspers were on creation and that they need a nerf. So not really a complaint on a buff more a complaint that they were unbalanced when released.

"Mittens: I think that titans are just about balanced. I think they need to be nerfed to the point where they cannot have as much impact on subcaps. I think the Leviathan is a good example of a titan that is a good citizen. The Leviathan is an excellent anti-capital and anti-structure titan, but it doesn’t destroy newbies in afterburning rifters. It isn’t much of an election issue. From what Soundwave has posted on the forums and twitter, odds are that a nerf to titan tracking is likely to occur before the start of the next CSM. But you know titans have a sordid history, like T2 BPO lottery. Supercapitals, as they have been implemented was a terrible idea. They’ve never been balanced well and always been a problem."
Source: http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/06/csm-interview-the-mittani/

So yeah my bad sort of.

They have a lot in common when you think about it. They both want to shoot stationary objects and they both think CCP hates them despite having just given them shiny new toys to make their jobs easier (tier 3 BCs, buffed destroyers and now buffed mining barges).

Eh, I'll throw a couple chip in on the side of the hulk pilots and miners in general.

* If you're using cargo rigs on an exhumer, or barg you're probably going to throw them away to modify your fit. In a similar sense, a properly fit Mack will still be a very good solo ice miner. ISK sinks are good for the game (within reason), but ideally patching isn't one of them (even if indirectly).
* I can imagine the changes nerfing some Hulk fits. Specifically, the per-level resistance bonus was cut from 7.5% to 5%, and that will probably cut the EHP of a number of solo fits.
* Unless you bought (mildly) speculatively when the barge changes were first discussed, you may need to choose between taking a hit to switch barges now or using a suboptimal barge until the market catches up with the changes. Suppose the procurer is most appropriate for you now. Well, the procurer was more expensive than the Retriever last time I checked--which was before the patch (and the sudden volume of complaints it produced) hit, despite being cheaper to produce. I suspect that the production capacity for Procurers just isn't there the way it is for Covetors (fewer researched BPO's), and until that changes, it will be expensive to get into the Procurer (and it's T2 variant). Furthermore, since such an overwhelming majority of long term miners were flying Hulks and Covetors, you can expect to see the prices on those dip until the glut is cleared from the market. TBH, that might take even longer.

Some of this is par for the course with any change--especially with ship balancing changes. However, this is probably more severe than typical. Many re-balancing efforts have boosted one faction relative to another, generally with good reason. That can encourage pilots to look at switching, and the market is probably going to shift to reflect that. However, I think this instance will be more severe because switching from one faction to another in combat ships often requires skill training for a significant portion of the population, and that isn't the case here. Without the training discouraging or delaying a ship change, I think we're going to see more short-term market disruption than we would with a combat rebalance.

In the end, re-balancing has an impact, and I don't think it's unreasonable to feel some annoyance or even vent a little. This is especially the case where re-balancing is a surprise, which could be the case for those who haven't followed the forums or the dev blogs.

I'm not personally that worked up over this. The one thing I might have put on the table in CCP's shoes was to unfit rigs (cargo rigs) in some cases during the upgrade. That'd be an easy detail to miss, though, and I'm honestly not worked up enough to suggest something be done now.

Besides, who put cargo rigs on a Hulk? ;)

Ice went down in macks, but a lot of people also didn't realize there's a rig for that now. Ore on the other hand actually went up. My alts retriever went from 1800 and some change per cycle to something like 2400 today; that's without MLU's plugged in. And to top it off, I don't have to unload every cycle and a half, I can go for like 10 cycles or something before I need to unload my hold now. Just because I don't have to keep flying back and forth to unload, I'll mine more with my alt now.

And make it hideously unbalanced.