Ships & Modules

If logging off after jump though a gate to save your ship was removed JF would die alot more often.

No, JFs are the perfect thing for a budding new alliance

They allow a small alliance to get goods from high sec to and around in low and null without needing a titan or a full scale JB network.

Larger alliance would rather just use a normal freighter (which can carry more) with a titan or JB network...

Centra has a point,

Also jump freighters have to be one of the biggest 'killers' of lowsec. Without them people were forced to travel the pipes with there goods and ships, and freighters needed to be escorted and defended.

Actually I think if anything JF's are underpowered.

Consider this: The large power-bloc's of eve DO regularly escort convoy's of freighters through low-sec to their jump bridge networks. They do it with a massive escort fleet, which no pirate can hope to match (unless you have a blob of titans I suppose)

Nerfing jump freighters only hurts small alliances. How do you get stuff to your home if you can't afford a titan? If you nerf jump freighters you'd better buff the Rorqual.

Now, to reiterate what I've said many a time before:

Jump freighters have 1/3rd the cargohold of a normal freighter. They have NO offensive weaponary, they have NO tank beyond their own massive EHP, a single warp disruptor will prevent them from jumping (see supercapitals which require a HIC to lock down), they're slow, cumbersome, and cost 5 billion isk. They can't scoop from wrecks or cans, or other ship's corporate hangers. Their ONLY usefulness is in that they can jump and go through stargates. That's it. And despite their near invulnerability thanks to cyno mechanics and session changes, people do still lose them quite regularly. It's easy to screw it up, and in null-sec they have bubbles to contend with as well.

You want to be able to kill a defenceless ship with impunity? Go gank hulks in high-sec. OP sounds butt-hurt about losing his super blob this winter. Yes, I went there.

The one concession I would consider fair would be removing the ability to carry fitted ships. Which they can barely do thanks to their small cargohold anyway.

Sooooo...Let's make sure I've understood this correctly:

1) It's a big, floating box with a jump-drive gacked into it.
2) No defensive capability beyond it's raw EHP. At all.
3) Can be tackled by a noobship with a point in the mid-slot. No local defense against this. At all.
4) It has ca. 1/3 the cargo-capacity of the big floating Tech I box it's derived from. And costs 10-15 times more.
5) No offensive capability. At all.
6) No way to modify/increase its' capabilities/functionality. At all.
7) There is no (7): It rage-quit because its' RMT-financed IWIN button is getting nerfed (see what I did there, nullbear?).

Clearly, massively overpowered! TO THE FOR--oh, hey, waitaminnit...

JFs work exactly as intended, as far as I can see:

An small(-ish) capacity Alliance-level logistical asset for small-to-midsized Alliances that can afford (I should hope) the risks that using it entails, and that said small group can mitigate if they co-ordinate as a team to help it move safely and efficiently.

Just because you NAP-festers are too big, clumsy, and tactically dysfunctional to effectively gank them is no reason to nerf them.

And yes, I want a Nomad. Not because I'm a hauler/trader/1337 carebear pilot, but because they're just freakin' cool

I guess you aren't missing the key issue. The Jump Freighter allows a single pilot to move finished goods directly from empire to where ever he wants in almost 100% safety. There is no other ship IN THIS GAME that allows someone to move so much stuff with so much ease. But let me address your 'points'.

1) Yes, it's a big ship with a jump drive. I don't know why you brought this up, but OK.
2) It's defensive capabilities are: jumping from empire, jumping within dock range of a station, and jumping out while in session change. Please tell me which of these instances I can kill it.
3) OK, it can be tackled, but that assumes it will be in a situation where it can be tackled in the first place.
4) Well, they had to make room for the MASSIVE jump drive. My Titan won't even have room for drones. And costing a lot doesn't mean it should be invulnerable, right?
5) The JF's offensive inability is not the issue, if you think it is, you either misread or have been misled.
6) What? OK, you can't fit things to it, again, why did you bring this up?
7) This poorly written statement is - I think - some type of insult at me, are you saying I paid real money for my Avatar and Aeon? Because I didn't, but OK, this is a really valid point against nerfing JFs. Well played, sir.

And the rest of your post is also some sort of insult about me and my Alliance.

to the OP you ever had a look at the skills needed to use a JF efficient and did you ever had a look at the pricetag of one or considered the chain of other people you need to operate one ,not even talking about the greatly reduced cargospace

umm no i think you are either a trol , or never operated one or just mad because you failed to gank one

and for once i actually agreeing with a goon

So what, cost isn't a balance factor.
If the combat supercaps need support, then the industrial supercap should obviously do so too.

This.

If the end result was as you say, Centra, than it would be golden. Force localized production, slow down massive transfers of materials etc.

But the truth is people would hero tank their dreads, carriers, rorquals and continue to jump things in complete safety. With new "bays/cargoholds" it's not near as efficient, but I can't believe that would be a truly limiting factor. Maybe a few would stop, but it would not change the trend

99.9% safe jumping > Significant risk gate jumping. The root problem is deeper than Jump Freighters. They just legitimize it.

Carriers can't jump from high-sec, you still had to get your stuff to the carrier via a gate.

Jump Freighters can move massive amounts of finished goods with impunity.