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Hulkageddon - is it viable anymore?
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Brego Tralowski
Tralowski Independent Traders.
#1 - 2012-08-08 08:11:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Brego Tralowski
With the new changes to barges/exhumers today I wondered how this will affect Hulkageddon.

I know that during the event all barges/exhumers are considered targets and most of these can be solo'd quite easily. But with the new changes to mining vessels will it put people off taking part in Hulkageddon?

Surely people would switch to a more tanky Skiff during the event, with an EHP of 60+k it'll be much more difficult to take part, unless you are using bigger ships (bigger than Dessie) and more numerous ships to take out each barge/exhumer.

And I know the Skiff doesn't have the same yield as the Hulk, but surely this is preferable to the miner if it means he/she can continue to mine during the events in 'relative' safety.

Thoughts?

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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#2 - 2012-08-08 09:12:19 UTC
This really shouldn't need another thread.

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Brego Tralowski
Tralowski Independent Traders.
#3 - 2012-08-08 09:29:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Brego Tralowski
Lady Spank wrote:
This really shouldn't need another thread.


So........................

After a search I couldn't see anything on this particular aspect of the event, if I have missed a similar thread then please feel free to link it.

Kind regards - Brego.

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Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-08-08 10:13:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
Yes it is...

Does not matter how many changes you make, you will always find morons.

However.. I view gankers and miners not willing to learn in the same light.

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Garven Dreis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-08-08 10:51:39 UTC
I thought that the Hulk would still be viable as a target, although sadly not to the same degree as before.

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Nayl Mkoll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-08-08 12:14:39 UTC
miners are still largely min/maxers and will still go for max yeild no matter what tools you give them to protect themselves if it cuts into their yeild there will still be solo momo's mining in hulks or zero tanked macs...
Brorr Liason
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#7 - 2012-08-08 12:38:19 UTC
I love forum pvp!

Try shooting them and finding out.
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-08-08 19:22:46 UTC
The hulk still looks gankable, the mack might be, but it won't be proffitable, and the skiff DEFINATLY isn't going to die to anything less than 4-5 alpha tornadoes.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#9 - 2012-08-08 20:35:48 UTC
Astroniomix wrote:
The hulk still looks gankable, the mack might be, but it won't be proffitable, and the skiff DEFINATLY isn't going to die to anything less than 4-5 alpha tornadoes.

Not counting the great likelyhood of fail max yield fits.
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-08-08 21:19:01 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
Astroniomix wrote:
The hulk still looks gankable, the mack might be, but it won't be proffitable, and the skiff DEFINATLY isn't going to die to anything less than 4-5 alpha tornadoes.

Not counting the great likelyhood of fail max yield fits.

I've never thought of the max yield fits as "fail" because if you are smart they can pay for themselves easily. It's the max cargo fits that I have always considered funny.
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#11 - 2012-08-08 23:25:27 UTC
Seems to me like the EHP changes strongly favor ganking in groups of destroyers. It did before, of course--it's always going to be cheaper using a bunch of destroyers than a BC/BS. But the EHP buff is really geared toward preventing and/or making solo ganks economically less viable. If anything, the changes would make organized/cooperative ganking as in Hulkageddon more important.

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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2012-08-09 07:07:31 UTC
Just find more gankers and everything is going to be alright....isn´t there a channel for such things?

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Ristlin Wakefield
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-08-09 13:17:40 UTC
James 315 wrote:
Seems to me like the EHP changes strongly favor ganking in groups of destroyers. It did before, of course--it's always going to be cheaper using a bunch of destroyers than a BC/BS. But the EHP buff is really geared toward preventing and/or making solo ganks economically less viable. If anything, the changes would make organized/cooperative ganking as in Hulkageddon more important.


Miners now have two added layers of security, which I think is fine. First, spikes in local should be more noticeable. And second, they stand a good chance of surviving if the gankers don't bring enough people.

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Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#14 - 2012-08-09 14:37:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Pinstar Colton
Given the increased cost of a suicide gank, the Hulkageddon bounties (100mil for 10 exhumers, 10 mil for 10 barges) are going to be less attractive and less of a driving force to inspire gankers to go the extra mile since the reward is the same but the cost is increasing.

Not to mention, the barge changes have given miners new confidence about their safety. (If that confidence is proper or misguided is yet to be seen). The fear of gankers drove a great deal more miners out of the belts than the actual loss of ships from gankers ever did. With that fear greatly diminished, the ball is in the ganker's court to re-assert the feeling that mining in high sec is not safe anywhere.

Of course, the glut of productive miners will eventually bring mineral prices down far enough to where the markets will drive some miners out of the belts as their isk/hour tanks.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-08-09 19:04:23 UTC
dont target procurers or skiffs

hulks as far as i know are just as gankable as before the patch

attacking a procurer will most likely get yourself scrammed and blapped by a waiting fleet :3

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-08-10 02:07:27 UTC
Hulks are still dying.

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Cyprus Black
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2012-08-10 02:31:02 UTC
Brego Tralowski wrote:
With the new changes to barges/exhumers today I wondered how this will affect Hulkageddon.

I know that during the event all barges/exhumers are considered targets and most of these can be solo'd quite easily. But with the new changes to mining vessels will it put people off taking part in Hulkageddon?

Surely people would switch to a more tanky Skiff during the event, with an EHP of 60+k it'll be much more difficult to take part, unless you are using bigger ships (bigger than Dessie) and more numerous ships to take out each barge/exhumer.

And I know the Skiff doesn't have the same yield as the Hulk, but surely this is preferable to the miner if it means he/she can continue to mine during the events in 'relative' safety.

Thoughts?
Is it viable? Yes. Is it profitable? Probably not and that was the point.

You can no longer gank exumers with properly fit destroyers. If you want to gank an exumer, you're going to have to up your game and break out a battlecruiser or battleship with high alpha damage.

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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
#18 - 2012-08-10 11:13:49 UTC
You can still kill tanked HULKs with 6-7 arty thrashers
- if you have time to fire multiple times maybe with fewer ac/blaster ships
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#19 - 2012-08-10 11:22:10 UTC
Pinstar Colton wrote:
Given the increased cost of a suicide gank, the Hulkageddon bounties (100mil for 10 exhumers, 10 mil for 10 barges) are going to be less attractive and less of a driving force to inspire gankers to go the extra mile since the reward is the same but the cost is increasing.




1) Using mining buffs to make more money from mining while making sandwiches
2) Use money from mining to fund greater Hulkageddon bounties
3)???
4) Profit

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Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
#20 - 2012-08-10 13:59:05 UTC
hmmm... *puts on his stupid hat, and attempts to act like the fantasy miner imagined here*

1. What's a Hulk? ... used to know ... hmmm.. nope...drawing a blank.
2. Mack's [Big Macks] are 'ard, no cans neither...
3. What is a cargo fit? ... sounds familiar but can't remember... hmmm...
4. Min/Max, is that a kind of minmatar thing?
5. Haha...
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