Wormholes

Yes. Two Step have my babies

Have to agree, the FF adds to the flavor its not directly relevant to the enjoyment of w-space in its entirety, we want better ability to manage roles within the POS setup for security purposes i.e.:

-Filter FF access based on role or character rather than having it on/off for corp member use and having to enter a password each time.

-Filter CHA/SMA access with better granularity of role or character.

Bouncing off POS mods when trying to warp is another issue entirely.

Docked in a station cuts you off from the outside environment, gives you more of a feeling of safety and makes it harder to passively monitor the system for threats - which is something you don't have to do in k-space and part of what adds to the flavor.


I spend most of my game time in wormhole space because I like to live on the edge a bit, live and die by how well your thinking ahead, how prepared you are, etc. which is much reduced in k-space where you can just cyno in reinforcements, burn back to jita when you forgot a module, etc. etc.

I think you are wrong again.
Current exact mechanics of FF make wspace exciting because you can rely on it to have your own little island in hostile space. After a fight you can return to your safe POS FF and enjoy a drink or two while still having ability to watch dscan, refit ships, probe - basically everything what you want in station plus ability to be in space.
There are many drawbacks of current POS mechanics but POS FF is not one of them.
If you ask people about top 10 reasons they like being in wspace i bet no one will say that they like being in a spaceship and flying but it does not mean it has to be removed.

I doubt there will be many people saying that force-fields suck and we should remove them hence they should be kept.

Actually I have to disagree with you about this. W-space is NOT about lack of information, in FACT everything in w-space is completely wide open and is available to voyeurs. W-space is about WORKING for information, but when the said work / effort is performed you are also rewarded with an advantage over those who have not put in the effort. The current POS mechanic, as much as its hated by all w-space residents, does have an advantage over the proposed POS mechanic in respect to gathering and providing visible clues as to the activities of w-space residents.

Yes, the most appealing aspects of the w-space is provided by mass limitations on wormholes. They limit the scale of the engagements. However, it will be harder to figure out if the engagement is going to happen at all with the new proposed system. If we don't see that the residents and our intended opponent is reshipping into a fleet to fight us, then we might not keep the hole long enough for them to form up. That will reduce the appeal of living in w-space. The proposed system also mentions anchoring poses almost anywhere in the system (at least away from moons), that means we will also need to drop combat probes or keep BMs for the POSes of our intended opponent. There goes most of the stealth aspect of the gameplay, that will reduce the appeal of w-space.

The docking game, there is just too much of it everywhere else and again that will reduce the appeal of w-space. So while you are partially right, the new proposed system of POSes will not completely ruin the w-space. However it will reduce the appeal of what is considered by many and AWESOME system. In the end you should think about this change from a different perspective. All that the w-space people want from POS changes is the ability to fit out T3s, use the Saved Fitting functionality and have a single modular structure so as to reduce clutter inside the Force Fields. All this can be accomplished within the current POS and FF mechanic.

Ignoring the ad hominem, hoping maturity will win out...

You say CCP lives in w-space. I could put up a tower in a 3-man corp and "live" in w-space. But that makes me no more qualified to comment on w-space mechanics than attending a orchestra performance qualifies me to be a conductor. There is more to w-space than shooting sleepers, just like there is more to k-space than Hisec missions. In fact, few things unite the w-space community better than when it comes time to evict yet another Nullbear corp who have only set up operations in w-space to fund their Nullsec activities and hide in their POSes the rest of the time.

By their very suggestions, CCP demonstrates they don't understand the differences between w-space and k-space, and why people choose to leave Hisec, Lowsec, and (heaven forbid) Nullsec to live here. The backlash from the community should be further evidence of just how out of touch they are.

And sadly, your list of "things you get with docking" is also out of touch with life in w-space. The majority of those things aren't needed (or desired) in w-space. Anything that is useful from that list is not w-space specific and does not require docking anyway. Dock up to get better access controls? Really now.


As others have said, w-space is nearly perfect just the way it is, even with the quirks we have to work through. It's one of CCP's rare few crowning achievements. For once in their lives, CCP should just make slow, small changes instead of trying to "fix" what isn't broken just to make some sweeping headline. Start with the issues discussed in this thread. Small, quality-of-life changes will make more of a difference than sweeping headline-grabbing "fixes".

For my part, if you bothered to look, I try to promote w-space life where I can, to try to encourage others to come out here. I do this because it offers differences you can't find in k-space. Differences that CCP is now threatening to eradicate.

We live in w-space because it's unique and challenging, and not like k-space.
We don't want w-space to become like k-space.


Try executing a Starburst from within a station. I would have loved to have been present the first time that was used, on either side, because that is pure brilliance -- emergent gameplay at its finest.

And I rather like watching my targets cower inside the forcefield. If they log off, the next time they log on it will be into a bubbled death trap. If they stay to watch their tower die, they die too. If they self-destruct, they still lose their assets. Win-win.

the idea of no large towers in c1-c4 is tbh pretty silly.
cant shoot them down?, we do so whats the problem?
it just takes manpower and skill to do it.
if you dont have manpower and skill then gtfo of wormholes.
go back to mining in rens or whatever.

Worried by the idea of the lack of a Force Field... Two Step mentioned there is a genuine reason for this under NDA and really, until that is explained in full it makes it hard to really put too much thought into discussing the pros and cons.

Personally I'd like to see a tweaked POS system, I like the idea of the modular parts. Say for example you build your main tower - and other bits just stick on as modules. Less overview junk, less things to bump off of...

I'm sure there must be a better way of handling assets without having to move the whole thing to in station whilst docked. It just needs a bit more control, an ACL with varying groups can't be that difficult to implement surely...

ps. Please for the love of god, no station game style mechanics...

Regardless of any other changes, I think any kind of docking mechanic in w-space is a terrible idea. We already lack local (which is awesome, in my opinion) but taking active pilots out of space leaves us no intel tool at all to assess hostile fleets. Dscan is our only way to see who's in system (and track down a POS to see what's piloted, what's not, etc.) and if you introduce docking, you take our only tool away. Cloaking already does this to an extent, but at least it's balanced by the fact that covert ships trade significant damage and utility for their ability to cloak.

POSes need work, but find a way to fix them without introducing a docking mechanic.

This is right on. What we need in W-Space is the ability to refit ships, repackage items, and a place to store our stuff. I don't think getting rid of forcefields will fix these needs in anyway. If CCP doesn't want to spend the time to fix poses the way they should be and just copy and paste stations into their place they should not do anything at all. I believe the ability to sit in my forcefield press my d-scan button and man my pos guns are very important parts of living in W-space. If I wanted to sit in my station and watch local I would go to null sec. Docking Games belong in high sec with the neutral RR **** that still hasnt been fixed. Thats my opinion.

And you can ask *anyone* if they'd like ******* docking games added to w-space and you'd get nothing but screams of NO