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AndromacheDarkstar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-08-08 14:33:21 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:
I just wanted to say that im gonig to re-sub an inactive account, it must be really demoralising for CCP to check the forums everyday to see people moaning constanlty that the game is awfull and they dont know what they are doing.


i disagree, the forums are for feedback. if things work as they should there isn't really much need for feedback, they know if a feature is good because nobody is making posts about it saying how much they hate it.

again, the forums are for feedback not public **** sucking.



Does feedback not include positive feedback then, are we only allowed to be negative. Also i dont think the forums are purely for feedback, that is one of their functions but they are also for discussions amongst players ect.

I dont understand what good comes from accusing someone who is willing to say they enjoy playing a game of public **** sucking. If you tell CCP what you enjoy that information is just as usefull as telling them what you hate. Im not some peace loving hippie who wants to spread the love i just wish people would actually be honest, if your upset enough to rant about something then you have definately invested in it so much you must have loved it/still love aspects of it in the first place.

Glad to see allot of positive comments in the thread, to be honest i was expecting the complete opposite to happen.


no, because if it was that good you'd be busy enjoying it not posting about it.


Excellent well thought out response, unfortunately you may be ignoring the possibilty that people cant play the game 24/7 but with mobiles and tablets have accses to the forums of a game they love at work or while doing other things. I love EVE but its not the only thing i do, i have other interested and other responsibiltys but i do like ot keep in touch with the community and whats gongi on
nat longshot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-08-08 15:38:45 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Was gonna unsub because I just felt EVE was stale and I could use the cash elsewhere...then I saw the PVP'er tears/rage from the newest updates. That alone, is worth my money :3 Thank you CCP.

EVE is a PvP game and PvP is what generates new and exciting content every day. But since you hate PvP so much I predict you will get bored soon and quit anyway since not much will happen PVE wise.



No for you its a pvp game with out other's doing the other stuff were would your ships and mods come from the tooth fairy?

Hard core pvper's seem to forget were there ships and mods come from. Given no ships are seeding and all those t1 and t2 mod you use are not seeded there all players base. pvp should thank the mining and builder doing there part in making all that.

i do belive over 90% iteam's in game are players built something to think about aint it.

 [13:12:18] CCP Punkturis nat longshot you're a cutie.. OH YAH I WIN!!

AndromacheDarkstar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-08-08 17:44:58 UTC
nat longshot wrote:
Lexmana wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Was gonna unsub because I just felt EVE was stale and I could use the cash elsewhere...then I saw the PVP'er tears/rage from the newest updates. That alone, is worth my money :3 Thank you CCP.

EVE is a PvP game and PvP is what generates new and exciting content every day. But since you hate PvP so much I predict you will get bored soon and quit anyway since not much will happen PVE wise.



No for you its a pvp game with out other's doing the other stuff were would your ships and mods come from the tooth fairy?

Hard core pvper's seem to forget were there ships and mods come from. Given no ships are seeding and all those t1 and t2 mod you use are not seeded there all players base. pvp should thank the mining and builder doing there part in making all that.

i do belive over 90% iteam's in game are players built something to think about aint it.



Thats what confuses me about the miner hate that gets thrown around allot that and the large scale ganking, no mining and no fun ships boys and girls
MIrple
Black Sheep Down
Tactical Narcotics Team
#24 - 2012-08-08 18:01:48 UTC
PVP is not just ships exploding when your out mining your pvping against other miners to get the mins. I guess that is over your head still. Everything that is not seeded by CCP in eve is PVP.
Ilnaurk Sithdogron
Blackwater International
#25 - 2012-08-08 18:07:15 UTC
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no, because if it was that good you'd be busy enjoying it not posting about it.


Actually, some of us might know it's nice to be polite to people who make cool stuff for us.

I'd like to thank CCP for making EVE. I never really got into MMORPG's before I found EVE, but the combination of open world and scifi lured me in. I'm still enjoying one of the only actually inventive games around to this day. Thanks guys!

http://eve-sojourn.blogspot.com/

Anslo
Scope Works
#26 - 2012-08-08 18:10:15 UTC
MIrple wrote:
PVP is not just ships exploding when your out mining your pvping against other miners to get the mins. I guess that is over your head still. Everything that is not seeded by CCP in eve is PVP.


That's just a PvP-tards way of twisting words and meanings to lend some form of credibility to their argument. Selling is not PvP. Manufacturing is not PvP. It's more PvE than anything. The player pitting their skills and resources and ability to create or mine against the environment of the market. PvP is PvP, Manufacturing and mining is NOT PvP. Get over it.

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MIrple
Black Sheep Down
Tactical Narcotics Team
#27 - 2012-08-08 18:19:24 UTC
Anslo wrote:
MIrple wrote:
PVP is not just ships exploding when your out mining your pvping against other miners to get the mins. I guess that is over your head still. Everything that is not seeded by CCP in eve is PVP.


That's just a PvP-tards way of twisting words and meanings to lend some form of credibility to their argument. Selling is not PvP. Manufacturing is not PvP. It's more PvE than anything. The player pitting their skills and resources and ability to create or mine against the environment of the market. PvP is PvP, Manufacturing and mining is NOT PvP. Get over it.


Confirming that when I put orders up on the market they are being bought by CCP and not competing with any other players to sell my items. Glad that is settled
Anslo
Scope Works
#28 - 2012-08-08 18:24:12 UTC
MIrple wrote:
Anslo wrote:
MIrple wrote:
PVP is not just ships exploding when your out mining your pvping against other miners to get the mins. I guess that is over your head still. Everything that is not seeded by CCP in eve is PVP.


That's just a PvP-tards way of twisting words and meanings to lend some form of credibility to their argument. Selling is not PvP. Manufacturing is not PvP. It's more PvE than anything. The player pitting their skills and resources and ability to create or mine against the environment of the market. PvP is PvP, Manufacturing and mining is NOT PvP. Get over it.


Confirming that when I put orders up on the market they are being bought by CCP and not competing with any other players to sell my items. Glad that is settled


In the traditionalist sense no, it's not. If you want to stretch the terms meaning then sure you could say it's "pvp," but the people who engage in it do not see it that way as, to them it is not and it is only thus when stretched by PvP-tards, such as yourself.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

AndromacheDarkstar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-08-08 18:31:26 UTC
Anslo wrote:
MIrple wrote:
Anslo wrote:
MIrple wrote:
PVP is not just ships exploding when your out mining your pvping against other miners to get the mins. I guess that is over your head still. Everything that is not seeded by CCP in eve is PVP.


That's just a PvP-tards way of twisting words and meanings to lend some form of credibility to their argument. Selling is not PvP. Manufacturing is not PvP. It's more PvE than anything. The player pitting their skills and resources and ability to create or mine against the environment of the market. PvP is PvP, Manufacturing and mining is NOT PvP. Get over it.


Confirming that when I put orders up on the market they are being bought by CCP and not competing with any other players to sell my items. Glad that is settled


In the traditionalist sense no, it's not. If you want to stretch the terms meaning then sure you could say it's "pvp," but the people who engage in it do not see it that way as, to them it is not and it is only thus when stretched by PvP-tards, such as yourself.


Market is PVP - player vs player - its in the name buddy.
Anslo
Scope Works
#30 - 2012-08-08 18:33:56 UTC
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:
Anslo wrote:
MIrple wrote:
Anslo wrote:
MIrple wrote:
PVP is not just ships exploding when your out mining your pvping against other miners to get the mins. I guess that is over your head still. Everything that is not seeded by CCP in eve is PVP.


That's just a PvP-tards way of twisting words and meanings to lend some form of credibility to their argument. Selling is not PvP. Manufacturing is not PvP. It's more PvE than anything. The player pitting their skills and resources and ability to create or mine against the environment of the market. PvP is PvP, Manufacturing and mining is NOT PvP. Get over it.


Confirming that when I put orders up on the market they are being bought by CCP and not competing with any other players to sell my items. Glad that is settled


In the traditionalist sense no, it's not. If you want to stretch the terms meaning then sure you could say it's "pvp," but the people who engage in it do not see it that way as, to them it is not and it is only thus when stretched by PvP-tards, such as yourself.


Market is PVP - player vs player - its in the name buddy.


Except it's not to those in the market. They don't see it as pvp. They see it as playing in the market. When people use PvP on here, when they say they don't like it, they mean you and your over engineered flying gun bashing against my nice shiny mission ship that didn't even so much as point in your direction.

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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#31 - 2012-08-08 18:40:26 UTC
i too subscribe to a game that is marketed as a pvp game and get absolutely shocked when i am attacked by the big bad players who engage in pvp

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

MIrple
Black Sheep Down
Tactical Narcotics Team
#32 - 2012-08-08 18:41:55 UTC
Sense your stretching the idea ganking ships is just another from or playing on the market then as I would be limiting your available isk and resources from making it on to the market. Carebears keep telling themselves that is is not a pure pvp game by quantifying what is and isn't pvp by there own conditions. I dont gank indy people but I also dont try to say that EVE isnt a pure PVP game.
Anslo
Scope Works
#33 - 2012-08-08 18:49:04 UTC
MIrple wrote:
Sense your stretching the idea ganking ships is just another from or playing on the market then as I would be limiting your available isk and resources from making it on to the market. Carebears keep telling themselves that is is not a pure pvp game by quantifying what is and isn't pvp by there own conditions. I dont gank indy people but I also dont try to say that EVE isnt a pure PVP game.


Now you just sound stupid.

Mlrple wrote:
I also dont try to say that EVE isnt a pure PVP game.
It isn't pure PvP. Missioning =/= pvp at ALL. Even by a stretch. There is no limit to missions, it is an abundant and endless resource.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

MIrple
Black Sheep Down
Tactical Narcotics Team
#34 - 2012-08-08 19:01:27 UTC
Anslo wrote:
MIrple wrote:
Sense your stretching the idea ganking ships is just another from or playing on the market then as I would be limiting your available isk and resources from making it on to the market. Carebears keep telling themselves that is is not a pure pvp game by quantifying what is and isn't pvp by there own conditions. I dont gank indy people but I also dont try to say that EVE isnt a pure PVP game.


Now you just sound stupid.

Mlrple wrote:
I also dont try to say that EVE isnt a pure PVP game.
It isn't pure PvP. Missioning =/= pvp at ALL. Even by a stretch. There is no limit to missions, it is an abundant and endless resource.


Missioning can be PVP if you have a ninja salvager or a ganker come into your gate.
Anslo
Scope Works
#35 - 2012-08-08 19:07:08 UTC
MIrple wrote:
Anslo wrote:
MIrple wrote:
Sense your stretching the idea ganking ships is just another from or playing on the market then as I would be limiting your available isk and resources from making it on to the market. Carebears keep telling themselves that is is not a pure pvp game by quantifying what is and isn't pvp by there own conditions. I dont gank indy people but I also dont try to say that EVE isnt a pure PVP game.


Now you just sound stupid.

Mlrple wrote:
I also dont try to say that EVE isnt a pure PVP game.
It isn't pure PvP. Missioning =/= pvp at ALL. Even by a stretch. There is no limit to missions, it is an abundant and endless resource.


Missioning can be PVP if you have a ninja salvager or a ganker come into your gate.


Then it's not missioning anymore, it becomes ganking or camping or piracy. Pick your adjective. Either way, it doesn't stand.

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Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2012-08-08 19:15:22 UTC
Unsubbed an account a month ago and this one expires later this month. Best of luck to you OP.
True Sight
Deep Freeze Industries
#37 - 2012-08-08 19:16:22 UTC
I am someone that, in incarna (and I still support my decision) unsubbed 2/3 accounts and quit playing on the third. The changes made in the later end of crucible/Inferno (the tiny UI fixes, improvements, name standardisation, mining changes) have led not only to all 3 of my accounts being actively played now, but a 4th account now exits with a new character training on the power of two offer.
AndromacheDarkstar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-08-08 19:17:54 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
Unsubbed an account a month ago and this one expires later this month. Best of luck to you OP.


Im curious what your reasons are for doing it whilst still actively looking at the forums, not being sarcastic or troll like jjsut genuinely curious as you must still have an interest in the game
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#39 - 2012-08-08 19:22:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Corina Jarr
Anslo wrote:
MIrple wrote:
PVP is not just ships exploding when your out mining your pvping against other miners to get the mins. I guess that is over your head still. Everything that is not seeded by CCP in eve is PVP.


That's just a PvP-tards way of twisting words and meanings to lend some form of credibility to their argument. Selling is not PvP. Manufacturing is not PvP. It's more PvE than anything. The player pitting their skills and resources and ability to create or mine against the environment of the market. PvP is PvP, Manufacturing and mining is NOT PvP. Get over it.

100% incorrect. If the market was npc based you would have a point, but the market is player based. You cannot sell the majority of items to anyone but players.

The only activity in EVE that could be claimed to be PvE is shooting rats. And even that has a PvP element (getting your ship/mods).

The market "environment" is players.


In EVE, manu and mining are PvP. Get over it.
Anslo
Scope Works
#40 - 2012-08-08 19:26:51 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
Anslo wrote:
MIrple wrote:
PVP is not just ships exploding when your out mining your pvping against other miners to get the mins. I guess that is over your head still. Everything that is not seeded by CCP in eve is PVP.


That's just a PvP-tards way of twisting words and meanings to lend some form of credibility to their argument. Selling is not PvP. Manufacturing is not PvP. It's more PvE than anything. The player pitting their skills and resources and ability to create or mine against the environment of the market. PvP is PvP, Manufacturing and mining is NOT PvP. Get over it.

100% incorrect. If the market was npc based you would have a point, but the market is player based. You cannot sell the majority of items to anyone but players.

The only activity in EVE that could be claimed to be PvE is shooting rats. And even that has a PvP element (getting your ship/mods).

The market "environment" is players.


In EVE, manu and mining are PvP. Get over it.


In the spirit of avoiding another conflict, I'll say this; this entire debate revolves around the difference in definition of what PvP is to some. Some see it is ship on ship directly harming others, while some see anything pitting x and y against each other in even the most MINUSCULE WAY as PvP.

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