Warfare & Tactics

If you don have that luxury.. too bad for you..e ve is not suposed to be easy. Same way in other situations your victim does nto have the other luxuries that could help them.


What I see here is a bunch of crybabies that cannot accept that eve can be unfair to EVERYONE.. including them from time to time.


Find situations to fight where you DO have that time!


Also the ASB increased a LOT the number of peopel that go solo to low sec to have some solo PVP fun, therefore more than neutralizing any possible loss on hopless prays that these cry babies are craying about.


Eve is much better with ASB thatn without them. What need to be done is find a way that active armor tanking be good also and avoid stupid things like double ASB.

you mean as the shield tanking ships were fitting 1600 plates for YEARS?


Double standards anyone?

Havent you noticed these armor tanked sleipnirs, drakes, maelstroms and cyclones around?

Oh wait...

So lets see :
Shield tanked hyperion, yeah, ive seen it alot of times. Armor tanked maelstrom, hm, never.
Shield tanked brutix, thats more cookie cutter than dual mar or 1600rt brutix. Armor tanked cyclone... hm, never.
Shield tanked myrm - used to be very popular after te buff. Armor tanked drake, ehm, nope.
Shield tanked astarte, i think ive seen few, not that much, but im sure ive never seen armor tanked sleipnir.

CCPs conclusion from that - shield tanks are weak and not used enough, lets make new shield booster combined with cap booster that will provide massive active tank while being immune to neuts, without sig radius drawback and with fitting generous enough to fit oversized version or even multiple asbs on most ships.

CCP is so smrt.

Ooooh yes an armor tanked drake... So a ship with extremely crap mobility and crap dps? Could work as bait and nothing else. I guess you could fill those free mid slots with 4 TP's or Webs (well actually 4 webs could be fun against frigs)

Maybe it's because of the usability of mids & lows and the design of ships that armor tanking a shield tank ship is often extremely stupid?

So what you're really saying is shield tank ships don't have enough low slots? And armour tanks have too many mid slots?

Oh, really? Not enough lows? Too many mids?
Lets see...
Hyperion has 5 mids for shield tank - many shield fits around (including active even before asbs), maelstrom has 5 lows for armor tank - NOT A SINGLE armor fit around.
Brutix has 4 mids for shield tank - almost all brutixes are shield tanked (they were even before asbs), cyclone has 5 lows for armor tank - never seen a single cyclone armor tank.
Myrm... it has more lows than mids, armor rep bonus and there are still more shield tanked myrms out there.
And so on...

Shield tanking was always better in solo/small gang, exactly like kiting ships were always better than useless plated bricks - and now is shield tanking so good, that if you are not flying asb fit ship, you are hindering yourself. And every ship that cannot use oversized asb or dual asb with reasonable fit, just dropped into B category for anything involving solo/small gang warfare.

And now we got shield booster with integrated cap booster immune to neuts giving even more hp/s than standard shield booster and all that with MUCH lower fitting needs... way to go ccp, gg.



Yeah, and the pilots in the small gang certainly wont be fitting asbs because it tanks more, requires less slots, less pg/cpu, doesnt slow you down or bloat your sig and leaves more room for gank.

People are just choosing gank over tank. damage upgrades are all low slot so even if an armor ship could tank more with armor than shield the user might just want to hit harder. Maybe mid slots that adjust weapon damage would bring more people round to using armor. I don't think it's so much it's being used because it's the better tank but because it free's up low slots for weapon upgrades.

They are choosing gank AND tank and only way to do this is asb. Active armor is completely out of the game considering you need to give up damage mods, but also additional ewar - because you need to fit cap boosters. Not to mention you also lose alot of pg/cpu trying to build active armor tank comparable to asbs.


Med asb gives more hp overall, doesnt have sig radius penalty, is affected by blue pill/crystals and needs significantly less pg to fit (= higher tier guns, increased cpu can be easily reduced again by using iffa, faint scram, fleeting web etc.). For me it was enough to refit all my frigs that used to fit mse to masbs (jag, hawk, harpy, merlin...).

Active shield tanking was no doubt superior to active armor tanking, but buffer armor tank is superior to buffer shield tank. Hence Armor gets Slaves and Shield gets Crystals(does not apply to capitals but slaves do)



Active shield tanking before ASB's were not really viable nor fantastic. To make them viable required you to invest hundreds of millions or billions in faction/deadspace modules/implants/drugs/fleet booster/ship bonus to make them actually viable. Not to mention active shield tanking required cap boosters that removed a midslot that could have been used for hardeners or shield boost amp.

Unpimped shield active tanking was not great, even worse for active armor tanking. The most of the times. all they did was slow


the amount of dps done to your miniscule amount of hitpoints, leading to your slightly slower, but still inevitable demise.


ASB are the much needed additions to the previously rather lame active tanking for pvp. It works well for solo and fairly small gang work, but will fail miserably in a fleet engagement.

ASB tanked ships typically have no additional buffer to their hitpoints, you can simply alpha strike the ship.

Active tank excels in solo/small gang, Buffer tank excels in fleet fights. Where shields and armor excel at respectively.


Homogenizing tanks makes for a very boring and dumb game.