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Command Links, Honor, and You

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CarmenIbanez
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-08-08 15:34:35 UTC
I would like to get an opinion from the citizens of New Eden. Do you think that using off-grid command links such as a boosting Loki in a 1v1 situation be considered "dishonorable"? Leave a reply with your view on the topic as well as any stories or arguments you have.
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-08-08 15:40:29 UTC
Gay
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-08-08 15:42:44 UTC
As a fleet booster myself, grow a ******* pair and boost on grid you coward.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.

CarmenIbanez
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-08-08 15:53:54 UTC
Aiwha wrote:
As a fleet booster myself, grow a ******* pair and boost on grid you coward.


To be more specific, I am referring to the all to common 1v1 frigate brawls in low security space. As in, using another character to provide off-grid links to gain that unfair advantage.
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#5 - 2012-08-08 16:00:40 UTC
CarmenIbanez wrote:
Aiwha wrote:
As a fleet booster myself, grow a ******* pair and boost on grid you coward.


To be more specific, I am referring to the all to common 1v1 frigate brawls in low security space. As in, using another character to provide off-grid links to gain that unfair advantage.


If you want a 1v1, get in the same fleet as the person you are 1v1ing at a safespot and and confirm there's no links. Also helps to slow down reinforcements jumping you if they are losing.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#6 - 2012-08-08 16:12:04 UTC
Everything is acceptable if it is not an exploit.

Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#7 - 2012-08-08 16:29:37 UTC
Offgrid boosts are how you become an ~ELITE PVPER~.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Lugalzagezi666
#8 - 2012-08-08 16:59:00 UTC
Once you have gang booster its not 1v1. Its the same thing as ecming your target with falcon, repping yourself with a logi or warping in another combat ship to facemelt the opponent.

Claiming such fight was 1v1 and you actually soloed your opponent is gay.

Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#9 - 2012-08-08 17:06:18 UTC
Consider a 1v1 where your opponent has links, you don't, and you still win. What does that say about your own skills at 1v1s?

A lot.
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#10 - 2012-08-08 17:40:17 UTC
If there's a verbal agreement to a 1v1, using links is poor taste and not considered honorable. Getting into the same fleet remedies this. If its just roaming around and engaging people links are entirely appropiate, especially when most players you fight try to run away and come back with 2-3 times your numbers (with their own links too).

When faced with such bravery using loki (point them so they must stay and fight!), proteus (because they brought enough ecm to perma-jam your whole gang!), and your choice of tengu or legion links depending on your tank (because you are outnumbered 3 to 1, otherwise you would not be getting a fight!) is entirely appropiate. Big smile
Dan Carter Murray
#11 - 2012-08-08 17:53:40 UTC
http://i.imgur.com/ryMAE.png

that is all.

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Equus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-08-08 18:19:47 UTC
Dan Carter Murray wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/ryMAE.png

that is all.


Thank you, now I won't sleep for a week. Cry

As for the boosters, I have mixed feelings, I view them along the lines of buff-bots in DAoC. They can easily make or break a fight, and originally only a few people had them. There was lots of crying and whining about how unfair it was, then people started to shutup and join them until it was pretty much the norm that if you were going to be running "solo" or in a small group you needed to be sure and buff up before heading out if you wanted to be competitive in any way. I held out for as long as I could, then said screw it, got a second account for a buff-bot and never looked back.

I think you will see the same with Eve, with Eve at least it is harder to keep that booster safe, which I guess is something. My only advice is:
1. Learn who uses boosters and remember them.
2. Never expect a fair fight.
3. If it really matters that much, time to start a new account and get your own.

I do not have a booster myself, but after being in a fleet with a max skilled booster.... I wish I did.
Abannan
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-08-08 18:59:41 UTC
I like scanning down peoples links and killing them, good fun
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#14 - 2012-08-08 19:42:22 UTC
I have a problem with the term 'honour' in Eve - a game where ruthless megacorporations are supposed to fight each other with all means possible.

This is not Q3 Arena, where people meet for a duel of skills - having an honourable '1on1' makes about as much sense to me as firing up your favourite RTS game and agree to meet with one infantry guy in the middle of the battlefield - it entirely defeats the purpose of the game, which is finding a strategy where you are in the favourable position - preferrably by making the other guy(s) wrongly assume he is in the favourable position.



Having that said, in seven years of playing this game, I have never used an offgrid booster despite of having characters very well capable of doing it and tripleboxing on three screens.

Probing alt? Yes. Hauling around some cap boosters for my PvP character in a Blockade Runner? Yes.

Falcon alts or offgrid boosters? Never.

It's not entirely rational and I can't blame people using the current mechanics to their full extent, but I wont - simply because i consider these mechanics entirely broken.

I play games to have a good time, and I have a better time losing some fights than winning whilst using mechanics I despise.


I don't use ECM drones or jammers for the same reason (when I loot them I even don't sell those items on - I either reprocess them or jet them and shoot the can, no matter what they're worth).

Guess it's some categorical imperative thing rooted so deeply within my personality I carried it over from RL - or I'm just a moron.
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#15 - 2012-08-08 20:10:36 UTC
If it's 1v1 then who are you boosting?

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)

Generals4
#16 - 2012-08-08 20:16:48 UTC
I say: the Falcon is missing

_-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. _

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#17 - 2012-08-08 20:38:01 UTC
CarmenIbanez wrote:
I would like to get an opinion from the citizens of New Eden. Do you think that using off-grid command links such as a boosting Loki in a 1v1 situation be considered "dishonorable"? Leave a reply with your view on the topic as well as any stories or arguments you have.


Personally, ill take any advantage i can get and expect my enemy to do the same.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-08-08 20:39:50 UTC
Honor has never won anyone a battle.
Being pro and 1337pvp has never won anyone a battle.
15% extra shields might well be the advantage you need to win a battle.
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-08-08 20:40:46 UTC
Get on grid.
Griznatch
Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#20 - 2012-08-08 21:22:32 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Honor has never won anyone a battle.
Being pro and 1337pvp has never won anyone a battle.
15% extra shields might well be the advantage you need to win a battle.



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