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Kitt tiara
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-08-08 15:13:07 UTC
This is NOT a ***** or gripe!

I have got to be doing something wrong, I know they updated mining barges etc and i also know you can get more out of using the hulk (not buying a hulk for ice mining). But my yeild has gone down considerably. I do not have ice harvesting 5 (at 4 atm).

Yesterday my cycle times were 370 ish seconds and get 4 ice. Today to get the same 4 ice it takes 2 full cycles at 503.5 seconds. That's a considerable amount of time to get the same amount of ice, I have changed nothing on my mack since yesterday,
What am i doing wrong?
Mia Restolo
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-08-08 15:18:57 UTC
You didn't fit the new ice mining rig?
Kitt tiara
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-08-08 15:20:48 UTC
Nope, i guess i have to look into that. Didn't see anything about new rigs in the dev blog about the changes to mining barges, thanks a bunch
Teibor
Quay Industries
#4 - 2012-08-08 15:21:11 UTC
just tried a skiff and i get 4 blocks in just under 350, thats unboosted, 1 rig and 2 mlu's.......still need to try a mack but its not near where i am atm.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#5 - 2012-08-08 15:46:43 UTC
Kitt tiara wrote:
This is NOT a ***** or gripe!

I have got to be doing something wrong, I know they updated mining barges etc and i also know you can get more out of using the hulk (not buying a hulk for ice mining). But my yeild has gone down considerably. I do not have ice harvesting 5 (at 4 atm).

Yesterday my cycle times were 370 ish seconds and get 4 ice. Today to get the same 4 ice it takes 2 full cycles at 503.5 seconds. That's a considerable amount of time to get the same amount of ice, I have changed nothing on my mack since yesterday,
What am i doing wrong?


The Mack is no longer King of Ice Mining. You can get it closer with the ice rig, but to really recover full ice mining speed, you need a Hulk with the ice rig.

Skiff: King of tank
Mack: King of cargo
Hulk: King of yield

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Kitt tiara
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-08-08 15:57:49 UTC
That much i new, but i just sit here in an ice belt while flying wh's (pvp, plexing etc). Not cost efficient buying a hulk that i have to dock up every other cycle or so, now i can sit here and fill the ore hold. I expected it to be less efficient then the hulk (the dev blog said as much).
After installing the rig i get 4 blocks every 442 secs. AND not having to dock up after 1.5 cucles instead docking after 17... think I may come out ahead on that.
Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#7 - 2012-08-08 17:17:49 UTC
I had my Hulk and Mack (and Orca, and Trasport, and... etc)... all setup to do Ore, Ice and Gas (missions and belts)... when the patch was posted and went live on SISI I did some testing - still in the beta-phase but this might help you out for the moment...

Fit your Hulk with a CPU upgrade rig(s) and put in a PG-603 implant for PG... my Hulk skills are max so this fits for me:

3x strip II
1x sml booster II
1x invul II
2x cap recharger II
2x mlu II

5x hob II
5x miner II

-Then I have-

3x ice harvester II
2x ice upgrade II
5x hammer II

and then I can fast swap the hulk from ore to ice with a click - doesn't use the rigs but they where not on the SISI when I tested and I just picked up the BPOs today so once I get a few rigs build I might revise this fit but atm it mines and harvests pretty nice...

The Mack now is a really good (didn't believe it would be until today) solo miner AND L4 Mining Mission boat, does ice and ore well again also - use the same fit, but drop in a DCU II into it and you have a very nice tank and with a HX 5% in I was getting 2,1--k yield per when belt mining and never felt the need to jet a can - 35Km3 is a very nice amount of space... about 6.8M in ISK per dense veld (to trit) avg testing.

I am sure things will pan out, but it looks like it may be ok, as opposed to my initial not really liking this plan...

One thing that came to mind while mining... I wonder why CCP never simply put ice and ore in the same belts...that would have been interesting, as it might have made and interesting choice, but also mixed the ships/fits in the belts a bit more...

Anyway... happy mining.
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-08-08 22:11:49 UTC
Fit a 3rd Ice harvester upgade II and one of the new ice harvester rigs (medium ice harvester accelerator I).

This will give you a -21% boost to cycle time (-9% from IHUII, -12% from rig).


The rigs are crazy expensive atm as everyone is using un-researched bpo's and selling them for crazy profits for the next few days, so pay the premium price for them, or wait for them to drop in price (gussing 3M to manufacture, 5M to buy).
zoni Ishikela
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-08-08 22:53:01 UTC
Styth spiting wrote:
Fit a 3rd Ice harvester upgade II and one of the new ice harvester rigs (medium ice harvester accelerator I).

This will give you a -21% boost to cycle time (-9% from IHUII, -12% from rig).


The rigs are crazy expensive atm as everyone is using un-researched bpo's and selling them for crazy profits for the next few days, so pay the premium price for them, or wait for them to drop in price (gussing 3M to manufacture, 5M to buy).



The rigs are going for 15M a pop, probably will go up until the ice frenzy dies down. I'd say wait at least a week for the dust to settle before you rig up for ice.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#10 - 2012-08-09 01:25:25 UTC
http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/blueprints/32819/0/5/0/5

For the ice rig.

unresearched blueprint manufacture cost is about 2.06 million.

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Talon Dreyua
Pulse Industries
Knights Collective
#11 - 2012-08-09 07:23:28 UTC
I am maanging to get 4 units every 335 seconds, with the fact that I am not running back and forth to the station, I am saving even more time.

My fit includes a 3% Yeti implant though.
TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-08-09 14:17:18 UTC
Styth spiting wrote:
Fit a 3rd Ice harvester upgade II and one of the new ice harvester rigs (medium ice harvester accelerator I).

This will give you a -21% boost to cycle time (-9% from IHUII, -12% from rig).


The rigs are crazy expensive atm as everyone is using un-researched bpo's and selling them for crazy profits for the next few days, so pay the premium price for them, or wait for them to drop in price (gussing 3M to manufacture, 5M to buy).


The rigs are crazy expensive because people bought up all the components and relisted them at crazy prices.

Given the components were near worthless before the patch (2k/each) I had 1000's stockpiling as I never felt they were worth the trouble of selling.

Just wait it out and they'll revert back to normal prices, if not, salvage your missions and make better isk while people continue to try to manipulate them.

...

Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-08-09 15:28:23 UTC
Kitt tiara wrote:
This is NOT a ***** or gripe!

I have got to be doing something wrong, I know they updated mining barges etc and i also know you can get more out of using the hulk (not buying a hulk for ice mining). But my yeild has gone down considerably. I do not have ice harvesting 5 (at 4 atm).

Yesterday my cycle times were 370 ish seconds and get 4 ice. Today to get the same 4 ice it takes 2 full cycles at 503.5 seconds. That's a considerable amount of time to get the same amount of ice, I have changed nothing on my mack since yesterday,
What am i doing wrong?


yes, they nerfed the mackinaw ice yield maximum.. you can add the ice rig, get a yeti implant, and add a fleet boost but you will still get less ice than before thanks to the nerf on extra blocks.. ice harvesters only mine one block per cycle now instead of two. and the hulk does now mine ice faster than the mack.

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Sequince
Exordium Mining Contingent
ORDUM Mining and Fabrication Group
#14 - 2012-08-09 18:07:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Sequince
let's revisit the info everyone had at their disposal but never bothered to read.

the HULK is yield king in all things mining but at a logistics price.
the MACK is the solo barge geared for cargo and tank but balanced for both as well.
the SKIFF is now the ORE BS tank tank tank but optimized for null mining giving it a decent ore hold as a way to keep down the logistics but not removing the need to support it.

Read next time and until then just adapt and get over it. Besides what the hell are you doing with all the isk you made before the changes. The way most of the winers are talking all you did was mine. So once you had your precious HULK or MACK the rest of the profits should still be liquid assets. If not then adapt what you do and move on. In six months when the market settles and you have figured it all out it won't matter what happened yesterday on the servers. I got eleven years of these changes and trust me after a few months none of it matters at all. I for one as a die hard Indy vet welcome all the changes and say "its about damn time these ships make sense."

tldr: HTFU and learn to read. SISI IS A HELLUVA DRUG!!!!
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-08-09 20:21:32 UTC
Sequince wrote:
let's revisit the info everyone had at their disposal but never bothered to read.



Might wanna take your own advice, and actually read the OP.

Since I didn't see it clearly mentioned in any other replies, I'll update for anyone else having issues.

The mack is no longer the ice miner, and the skiff is no longer the mercoxit miner.

Both activities are now accomplished through rigs. There is a rig to reduce ice mining cycle time, and there is a rig to increase yield on mercoxit mining. These can be fit to any of the barges or exhumers, allowing you to keep whichever ship bonus you like, be it yield from the hulk, cargo from the mack, or tank from the skiff.

The discussions have focused mainly on those changes, so it's becoming apparent that a lot of people don't know about the rigs. Spread the word if you can, and try not to be a **** about it.
Sequince
Exordium Mining Contingent
ORDUM Mining and Fabrication Group
#16 - 2012-08-10 12:18:40 UTC
I did and you got my blanket reply to cover the whole thing in one go. I didn't touch on the rigs on purpose.
Caldari 5
D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F. S.A.S
Affirmative.
#17 - 2012-08-11 07:34:56 UTC
Please find below my Pre and Post patch Fittings, as you can see that I haven't made much of a change
Figures are with the Yeti Ice 5, and my Skills/My Alt's Skills

[Mackinaw, Pre Patch]
Co-Processor II
Damage Control II

Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Barton Reactor Capacitor Recharger I

Ice Harvester II
Ice Harvester II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Drones

Cycle Time 333 Sec - 42.24 Units of Ice Per Hour
Cycle Time with Orca Support 262 Sec - 54.96 Units of Ice Per Hour
EHP 14.4K

[Mackinaw, Post Patch]

Co-Processor II
Ice Harvester Upgrade II
Ice Harvester Upgrade II

Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Small Shield Extender II

Ice Harvester II
Ice Harvester II

Medium Ice Harvester Accelerator I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

Drones

Cycle Time 177 Sec - 43.90 Units of Ice Per Hour
Cycle Time with Orca Support 128 Sec - 55.83 Units of Ice Per Hour
EHP 23.3K
Herr Hammer Draken
#18 - 2012-08-11 18:42:23 UTC
Kitt tiara wrote:
This is NOT a ***** or gripe!

I have got to be doing something wrong, I know they updated mining barges etc and i also know you can get more out of using the hulk (not buying a hulk for ice mining). But my yeild has gone down considerably. I do not have ice harvesting 5 (at 4 atm).

Yesterday my cycle times were 370 ish seconds and get 4 ice. Today to get the same 4 ice it takes 2 full cycles at 503.5 seconds. That's a considerable amount of time to get the same amount of ice, I have changed nothing on my mack since yesterday,
What am i doing wrong?


Well I thought your cycle was supposed to be 28 days. 370ish seconds yikes. No wonder you are asking what you are doing wrong! Twisted

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