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Orcas on lowsec gates....
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S0mveraa
If You're Reading This You Suck
#1 - 2012-08-08 11:05:28 UTC
So i'm derping about with a corpie. We jump into Maut. OK, hey look some t3's, we engage. They freak the hell out cause we have a Bhaalgorn and it wasn't anywhere near their prime time. We start wailing on them after they agress.



There's an orca there .....ok I live in a wh i'm used to seeing orcas about doing strange things. We seem pods, then we see them dissapear. Eh, wtf no wrecks, no KM's ........wait a damn minute did that orca just..SCOOP THE DAMN SHIPS WE WERE SHOOTING AT.



Wasn't aware that was possible.Was that intended to be like that? I don't really care seems pretty slick TBH... but still wtf lol


Oh yeah i got it on fraps if anyone wants to see it.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#2 - 2012-08-08 11:07:54 UTC
WORKING AS INTENDED
Lexmana
#3 - 2012-08-08 11:59:11 UTC
Idiotic mechanics but as I understand is perfectly legal. I think either the orca should inherit agression or not being able to scoop the ships but I think it might not be trivial to solve since the agression flag probably belongs to the player and not the ship.
Zicon Shak'ra
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-08-08 12:01:41 UTC
If you can scoop drones while they're under fire, why not normal ships?

Wormholes are cool, m'kay?
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-08-08 12:17:25 UTC
Maut? Probably POD alliance
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#6 - 2012-08-08 13:15:17 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Idiotic mechanics but as I understand is perfectly legal. I think either the orca should inherit agression or not being able to scoop the ships but I think it might not be trivial to solve since the agression flag probably belongs to the player and not the ship.



Does the orca need a ship bay? We already have carriers for that. Simpler fix : remove orca ship bay (and corp hangar tbh)
Lilly Tebron
Unknown Entity.
#7 - 2012-08-08 13:15:20 UTC
Zicon Shak'ra wrote:
If you can scoop drones while they're under fire, why not normal ships?


The difference here is if drones aggress you, the ship deploying the drones is aggressed on you as well. Thus, if he scoops his drones, you can still shoot his ship.

With the orca, the orca does not inherit the aggression of the ship he scoops, which basically makes the orca a "get-out-of-point" free card.

Personally I think they should just have a neutral aggression mechanic which applies to neutral reps, etc. Don't affect the security status of the rep/docking bay, but apply aggression with a timer equal to the timer of the user rep'd or scooped. That way, the aggressed can freely blow apart the logistics or scooping pilot to get at the guy who shot him to begin with.

If you are an enterprising pilot who still wants to deal in underhanded mechanics, you can still do this, but it's not risk free. Keep the orca aligned and it will probably get you what you want (scoop->warp to station), but it gives the opposing FC the chance to notice the Orca and call for bumps until a point can be applied after the scoop. Attacking another player should never be risk free in EVE.
Rita May
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-08-08 14:46:32 UTC
hmm...
Lowsec?
Orca scooping ships?

What kept you from shooting the Orca?

cu
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#9 - 2012-08-08 14:50:46 UTC
Rita May wrote:
What kept you from shooting the Orca?


The aggression-free orca can just bail into highsec as well.

I've run into this stunt a couple of times recently. In fact, the only lowsec fights I've had in the past two months have resulted in orca scoops and people running for highsec. I just laugh at the risk-averse "tough guys" and go on about my business.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Rita May
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-08-08 15:10:05 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Rita May wrote:
What kept you from shooting the Orca?


The aggression-free orca can just bail into highsec as well.

I've run into this stunt a couple of times recently. In fact, the only lowsec fights I've had in the past two months have resulted in orca scoops and people running for highsec. I just laugh at the risk-averse "tough guys" and go on about my business.


as far as i know there are two ways do deal with this:

1. force the Orca away by shooting it first - i know, the problem is the time it takes...
2. bumping an Ocra is not that hard Blink

cu
Griznatch
Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#11 - 2012-08-08 15:28:39 UTC
Rita May wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Rita May wrote:
What kept you from shooting the Orca?


The aggression-free orca can just bail into highsec as well.

I've run into this stunt a couple of times recently. In fact, the only lowsec fights I've had in the past two months have resulted in orca scoops and people running for highsec. I just laugh at the risk-averse "tough guys" and go on about my business.


as far as i know there are two ways do deal with this:

1. force the Orca away by shooting it first - i know, the problem is the time it takes...
2. bumping an Ocra is not that hard Blink

cu


1. with the kinda EHP you can get from a fully tanked orca it can afford to sit there and scoop ships for a good long while before it actually has to jump.

2. the orca is usually only there long enough to scoop the ships and jump, so unleas you have a dedicated bumping ship in position and ready the instant the orca lands you probably wont even touch it before it jumps.

clearly you've never attempted either.

I used to have a clever sig but I lost it.
Seishi Maru
doMAL S.A.
#12 - 2012-08-08 17:31:37 UTC
Still this is the reason why orcas shouldscoop the agression along the ship and become blinky.
feihcsiM
THE B0YS
#13 - 2012-08-09 14:12:45 UTC
Even easier fix:

You already can't board a ship that is locked.
Change it so you can't scoop one either.

It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.
Karl Planck
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-08-09 15:54:24 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Rita May wrote:
What kept you from shooting the Orca?


The aggression-free orca can just bail into highsec as well.

I've run into this stunt a couple of times recently. In fact, the only lowsec fights I've had in the past two months have resulted in orca scoops and people running for highsec. I just laugh at the risk-averse "tough guys" and go on about my business.


trust me, even high sec doesn't necessarily mean the orca is safe Big smile

I've seen it happen, it was hilarious

I has all the eve inactivity
Jude Lloyd
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-08-09 16:01:24 UTC
I love how people are still surprised by this mechanic...

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=121969

I'm back!
Jude Lloyd
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-08-09 16:03:09 UTC
And heres what I said to the last thread about this-

"The people who do this aren't looking at it as PVP... they see it as a farming opportunity for killmails, comedy, and loot. Same as smart bombing BSs and stuff of that nature.

And docking your expensive Legion in an Orca instead of letting it die to an aggressed fleet isn't cowardly, its economical and smart.

Pirates need a source of income just like anyone else in this game... these guys are just smart enough to use game mechanics to their advantage and farm incoming traffic. Would you say running missions is cowardly? How about playing the market? Personally, I find missions, markets, and gate camping all too boring to spend my time doing them.

Orca camping isn't an attempt at PVP or a search for a gf, its income.




Anyway, I don't do this. Maybe thats why I'm always broke... :P"

I'm back!
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#17 - 2012-08-09 16:52:35 UTC
Jude Lloyd wrote:


Orca camping isn't an attempt at PVP or a search for a gf, its income.



And just like prenerf incursions, the reward is out of proportion to the risk.
Terminator56
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-08-09 17:26:30 UTC
Yeah its a BS tactic, but hey nothing you can do about it except whine to CCP (which usually works quite well looking at previous nerfs). The other option is just to avoid amamake...
Karl Planck
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-08-09 17:46:51 UTC
Terminator56 wrote:
Yeah its a BS tactic, but hey nothing you can do about it except whine to CCP (which usually works quite well looking at previous nerfs). The other option is just to avoid amamake...


or you could learn how to deal with it, but you wont

I has all the eve inactivity
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#20 - 2012-08-09 20:12:04 UTC
Karl Planck wrote:
Terminator56 wrote:
Yeah its a BS tactic, but hey nothing you can do about it except whine to CCP (which usually works quite well looking at previous nerfs). The other option is just to avoid amamake...


or you could learn how to deal with it, but you wont


You think that getting enough tornados to suicide gank a 300k ehp orca in highsec is a fair thing to make people to do kill you?
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