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Skill Unlocks: Dumbing Down EVE For a New Golden Age?

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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#61 - 2012-08-08 11:16:31 UTC
This change is GREAT! Finally I can hate on Amarr and deny their applications AND IT WILL HAVE MEANING.
Xervish Krin
Intaki Fine Stationery Solutions
#62 - 2012-08-08 11:35:19 UTC
Sweet Jesus, now people will just use show info instead of google to find out what a skill does.

Heart of Eve ruined, unsubbing forever.
Frying Doom
#63 - 2012-08-08 11:37:44 UTC
Xervish Krin wrote:
Sweet Jesus, now people will just use show info instead of google to find out what a skill does.

Heart of Eve ruined, unsubbing forever.

Yes it is truly evil, at this rate we wont have to use as many spreadsheets or other web sites soon.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#64 - 2012-08-08 11:41:04 UTC
Love to see the new change.
Biomeehanika
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#65 - 2012-08-08 12:07:28 UTC
yay lazy eve generation because its far to much effort to check modules for skill requirements??!!! does this mean prequisites will be removed from modules since we don't need them now?
Takeshi Yamato
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#66 - 2012-08-08 12:14:44 UTC
Good improvement of the UI, people who complain about this should have their posting rights revoked.
CCP Prism X
C C P
C C P Alliance
#67 - 2012-08-08 12:34:14 UTC
As the programmer responsible for this I should chime in:

You're going to hate me and my entire Player Experience team, Team Pony Express, sooo much when we are done with things!

That is all.

P.S. Go Go Magic Pony Express!

CCP Prism X

Programmer on Team Gridlock & Expert Ranter
Alexandra Alt
Doomheim
#68 - 2012-08-08 12:35:35 UTC
Ohhhh the trend that all changes = dumb down game, welcome to the dumb down train !
Alexandra Alt
Doomheim
#69 - 2012-08-08 12:36:57 UTC
CCP Prism X wrote:
As the programmer responsible for this I should chime in:

You're going to hate me and my entire Player Experience team, Team Pony Express, sooo much when we are done with things!

That is all.

P.S. Go Go Magic Pony Express!


I hope he (and those like him) hate it so much they would leave the game. Players who think having fun equals banging head against the wall are a detriment to game development.
Murashu
Dead and Delirious
BBQ BOIS
#70 - 2012-08-08 14:30:03 UTC
I don't see how this is dumbing anything down. They took something useful from EVEMON/EFT and put into the game.

Now if they would only add an option to always show the date...
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#71 - 2012-08-08 14:59:02 UTC
some people want eve in command prompt form, I swear.

[u]Can't wait untill when Eve online is Freemium.[/u] WiS only 10$, SP booster for one month 15$, DPS Boost 2$, EHP Boost 2$ Real money trading hub! Cosmeitic ship skins 15$ --> If you don't [u]pay **[/u]for a product, you ARE the [u]**product[/u].

Forum Harlot
Doomheim
#72 - 2012-08-08 15:00:13 UTC
Making things more practical and intuitive =/= "dumbing it down". Get off your high horse.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2012-08-08 15:00:29 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp

Quote:

Skill Unlocks
See what modules and ships are unlocked by various skills.


http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/63110/1/Skill_unlocks.png

I don't see this as being new player friendly, I see it as treating new players like morons who can't do any research. Was showing info on a module you wanted to use to see what skills you needed too complicated?

EDIT: Also we appear to be dumbing down corp management

Quote:

Skills

Ethnic Relations skill changed into Diplomatic Relations and theold effect is replaced by a new one that decreases cost to hire allies in war.

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you need to love and respect yourself a little.... noone really tries to hurt you. trust me! Lol

kudos to CCP for making such nice little things Attention

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#74 - 2012-08-09 07:38:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrogh Habalu
While ability of doing research is a good and respectable thing, I cannot see why it's a bad thing to make it less time-consuming. Some people believe that hardships and doing everything in a hard way will make a better person out of everyone, but for some reason it never works. So, maybe we'll just stop being jealous of players who start playing these days and who have things like nice tutorials and better interface (like in this particular example)?

Being new player myself, I was doing some research on EVE history and I don't feel bad for coming so late. I can't imagine playing the game in such an "obvious beta" state EVE was in till like Incursion update (and in minor aspects, still is, but it seems to be much better now).

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Max G Force
Doomheim
#75 - 2012-08-09 07:41:36 UTC
CCP Prism X wrote:
As the programmer responsible for this I should chime in:

You're going to hate me and my entire Player Experience team, Team Pony Express, sooo much when we are done with things!

That is all.

P.S. Go Go Magic Pony Express!




Does this mean EVE is turning into My Little Pony in space?
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#76 - 2012-08-09 08:01:24 UTC
I'm all for making the game more intuitive and useful for people to help them climb that learning cliff. I loved EveHQ when it first came out as it showed me what was dependent on each skill and EVEmon did the same, showing you what each level of a skill unlocked.

I don't think anyone claimed those 3rd party apps were dumbing the game down and if they did they weren't saying so when I started playing. Why should it be different if that information is available in the game itself?

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#77 - 2012-08-09 08:03:44 UTC
lol

This is simply a great usability improvement and should have been in from the beginning.


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Max G Force
Doomheim
#78 - 2012-08-09 08:07:25 UTC
Virgil Travis wrote:
I'm all for making the game more intuitive and useful for people to help them climb that learning cliff. I loved EveHQ when it first came out as it showed me what was dependent on each skill and EVEmon did the same, showing you what each level of a skill unlocked.

I don't think anyone claimed those 3rd party apps were dumbing the game down and if they did they weren't saying so when I started playing. Why should it be different if that information is available in the game itself?




I actually have said in the past that those 3rd party apps were making the game easier. I don't use those apps if you're wondering.

That's part of what happened to WoW, 3rd party apps were added to the game over the years which added to the dumbing down of the game.
Jonni Favorite
Militant Industrialists LLC
Militant Consortium
#79 - 2012-08-09 12:09:06 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
Adalynne Rohks wrote:


Have you made a single post in the last 2 weeks, where you haven't been crying about something?


I know right? Even his ava pic conveys a sense of him always being right, being whiny when he's not, and looks down to pretty much anyone regardless. The wrinkles in his face have burned in a look of perpetual disapproval and disdain for everyone and everything.


Some people are just perpetually constipated. The only thing dumb here is this thread. OP should feel bad for starting it!
Tuch Mei
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2012-08-09 12:11:13 UTC
Hey OP, I bet you're the life and soul of all the parties.