EVE General Discussion

CCP recently laid off a bunch of people, He is just trying to put a nice spin on it. Everyone likes to kick a man when he is down.

Yes. EVE's content is not - and should not be - primarily created by CCP. EVE's content is created by interactions with other people.

My own personal take is that we're here to flesh out the universe and fix the idiosyncrasies that inevitably get introduced with so may complex systems working at the same time. I don't think that means ever increasing complexity in the systems that get developed nor that the individual bits shouldn't be entertaining in their own right.

We're also here to mix things up so that the experience doesn't get stale. For example in real wars a lot of strategic fight is in development of technology and tactics and these both go hand in hand. See WW2, the differing experiences of the French and US in Vietnam and in more modern terms the development of IEDs and counters to them in Afghanistan and Iraq. Also drones, a move back from using modern tech for a lot of communications, modifying RPGs to shoot down helicopters etc. etc. Players in EVE don't have the ability to exploit technology development in the same way so the only way to keep things dynamic strategically and tactically is for us to provide it. I actually think how this progresses is an interesting problem!

So in many ways the game only exists in your heads in that the motivations and goals really exist outside of the game and are invented by you guys. Which is part of what makes the mad stuff that happens so unique because someone can literally start from the idea of "wouldn't it be cool if" and try to actualise that.

Does that make any sense?

Yeah CCP Bayesian has that pretty much right, they fix the bugs, the balance and the annoying crap.

Our separate interest groups moan and complain about what we all want and they figure out where it should be (Hopefully correctly).
And in the mean time we try to push the game and into strange shapes that no set of developers could have ever considered possible.

Oh and then CCP pointing out obvious exploits.

I think CCP are one of the only companies out there who actually care about their game over how much money it is raking in. Obviously as a business CCP needs to make as much money as it can, this in turn actually improves CCPs products, however no other MMO has Devs and employees who seem to love and care for their game so much.

This fact alone makes me worry less about broken mechanics and some bad ideas. I love Eve Online adn believe CCP do too.

No

If you have to ask, then no.

In a game where you have to use your brain (oh my god, blasphemy), please tell us how it makes sense to continue babying the people who continue getting themselves blown up in the same circumstances due to a lack of brain activity? Try and tell me that you value your loyal player base over the fly in fly out type of players.

As a player of 7 years now I guess I could be accused of overlooking the games obvious flaws in gameplay etc... I know they are there but like a wife after you discover all her wrinkles it doesn't stop her being beautiful. The flipside of that coin though is that new players don't often take time to explore and appreciate the wide range of passtimes in Eve.

How many other games let you do so many different things from hardcore carebearing to the most misery making 'griefing' with all players under one roof , and do it all in really sexy looking spaceships? The content will always be both from the enthusiatic community and from CCP is a mutually dependant cycle that drives Eve forward, and any slow down (like around/after Incarna by CCP) in either does get noticed by vets like myself.

I hope CCP do ramp up again to provide more content, because it is needed, and no matter how many api services are created by fans or player run events are run in game, the real core gameplay of Eve and what keeps it fresh is provided by CCP.

The issue I have personally is I can see so much more unrealised potential for this game to be the best game ever (and not just MY best game ever, but everyone's best game) , however the progress toward that by CCP is so very slow and myopic that they appear to be afraid to actually spend any more money developing the game further as if they fear some sudden collapse of subscribers.

It seems to be a strategic descision by CCP leadership to maximise the profit from the game "while its appeal lasts", when they should instead be bolder thinking "look at the awesome game we've made so far... lets reinvest all that money and make it even better and better". A gamble to be sure, but a calculated one given their track record for gambling and winning so far.

But then again CCP is like the cool teenager now gone through its maturing process and is has reached middle age - with metaphorical mortgages and a family of responsibilities too take care of now... brash, brave acts are the territory of the young... But hopefully the maturing of CCP has provided them with more wisdom and insight to be able to maximize the efficiency of their effort like most old farts do... Time will tell, and DUST will be an interesting experiment for them which may decide the future of Eve too.... Although in truth I'm not sure whether to pray for the success of DUST or its failure as far as Eve is concerned.

That is just my take on the game I love anyway. Cheers.

Ganking isn't going anywhere....

From my perspective a mere 4 months playing. I think the vets are utterly insane .My main gripe is with character development, it's so damn archaic. Sure 10 years ago it was refreshing, all mmo's were grinders, slow progress to get more money out of the player was priority. Enter Eve with passive skill training, great idea, putting everyone on a more even footing, however still putting up the roadblocks character development wise(seriously, training skills, so you can train skills?). That was 10 years ago before companies realized that this turned a hell of a lot of people off from mmo's. Say what you will about WoW but they got it right with progression(at least in 2004, it's likely in hyper-drive now), not to fast not to slow, always feeling like you are getting something new, be it stats, gear or strength.

When I calculate a certain T3 ship training duration it turns me right off, because it's not just the training for the ship, then it's the mods, then the ability to actually fit the mods, couple months for that? See, told you vets were insane.
I know to most of you this is blasphemy and you walked to school barefoot uphill both ways and liked it and so should everyone else(never mind the nice eternal edge you have) but honestly after 4 months of play this is not something I get all hot and bothered over. It shouldn't feel like a tedium, but a smooth progression.

Anyway to the point. Vet's you are not insane, the system is however, I would say the social aspect allows you to tolerate this.