Science & Industry

I am requesting comments and opinions from those that have skilled Command Center Upgrade to levels 4 or 5 on how they have their planets set-up for raw and refined processing. I see two designs:

The first is expanding upon your initial, smaller set-up, using long stretches of links to connect everything from multiple remote extractor units to clustered factories intertwined with spaceports. While having a good range, you're at the whims of what the planet offers within your radius. Also, depending upon the size of the planet, your command center may not have enough energy to allow these links, much less multiple building types to keep it all churning.

The second is having small islands of extractor unit - factory - spaceport combinations that are "mobile" (destroyed) to follow what the planet offers. Of course, this has higher costs involved, along with launches off planet, but your range is not limited. Granted, being a high sec individual, this option may not be cost effective due to the overall amounts gained compared to potential lower security counterparts. I may have to be grounded as one larger set-up and one smaller set-up while trying to cover as much surface area with the extractor heads as possible and hoping the planet cooperates.

Thanks for any helpful comments on my near future expansions.

I could never justify using more than 1 ECU, it's just too hungry. You lose processing power with reduced factories and your storage would quickly backup P0.

Unless you do some sort of P0 exporting and processing on another planet..but then..just too hard. Bad enough you have to do P2 on a second planet to make it work even remotely well.

If you're strictly hisec, firstly test what 10 heads are going to pull an hour and then add in hourly rate/6000 for P1 worth of P1 processors. P1 factories use 3000/30mins so thus 6000/hr.

If your ECU is only pulling 18k an hour, I have no idea how much hisec planets are worth, then you only need 3 factories to keep up. Go from there I guess.


I prefer the ECU-Long Link-Port-8 Processors-Port setup for P1.
P2 and up are done via dedicated installs on seperate planets.
I took some screenshots last week for another thread on it.

http://users.on.net/~jd.ryan/PI%20Long%20Link.jpg
http://users.on.net/~jd.ryan/PI%20Standard%20Extractor.jpg
http://users.on.net/~jd.ryan/PI%20Standard%20Extractor2.jpg
http://users.on.net/~jd.ryan/PI%20Standard%20P1-2.jpg

My advanced PI plan was as follows

Take unused slot on my account. Roll a PI alt. 8 days of training. Put in my WH. Make 350mil a month. Repeat for remaining slots and make mad isk.

The linking between factories isnt optimal in my setups, ideally you should


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I find that the first couple of links often require upgrading this way and they are annoying to click on, so I just do it the way in the pictures.

Cycle time is 3 days as a general rule, they do anything from 55-80% of link load.

i chnaged all of my 36 P1 Planets now
Thanks!
I didnt know that "transfering" trough factorys is possible.
So i can set a extractor now far away from my factorys, place a starport right next to it (3xupgrade but short route) and get 2 routes to 2x4 factorys with a starport at the and.




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I cant imagine having the factories on the same planets as the extractors except to make the P1's out of the raw materials. It is so much less efficient.

I always separate my manufacturing from mining, and always use launch pads instead of silos.

The problem with exporting P0 and then importing to another world is that you end up paying a rather hefty tax rate. Most of them cost about 1.00-2.00 ISK/u and you pay 0.15 ISK/u to export them from world A and import them to world B where you convert them into P1. That means you're paying about a 7.5% to 15% tax rate.

The current P1 export tax rate is 0.12-0.24%. (After the POCO change, this will go up a lot, probably into the 3-5% range.)

That's why we always tell new PI people to convert their P0 into P1 before exporting. It cuts your tax burden by a huge amount and it reduces the volume of materials that need to be moved around by a factor of 4.