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Well its a sad day for hulks. Once everyone reships they will be very rare. I suspect the goons will start ganking hulks more then Macks. They are weaker with the less resistance. Though the macks aft mining potential will still make them targets.

But mostly why use a Hulk anymore. With exhumers 5 the Mack has a 35k ore hold. 3 low slots so lots of options. Poor hulk gets nothing except less cargo less tank.

I know I will be selling my 8 hulks once I reship to Macks. I can give up a little less output for a far superior ship.

Nerf by Neglect. Hulk gets nothing. All the rest get lots of goodies!

Unless something has changed again, Hulk took a slight tanking nerf. I think it actually will mine more now however (didn't they add in an additional mining bonus?).

Mack I believe is about 17% below hulk on yield, a bit better tank, and king of ore hold.

Skiff is even lower on yield (dont remember the numbers), king of tank, fastest, and 2nd for ore hold.

It's odd that the Hulk is the only one now with 1 advantage (Mack is #1 in ore, #2 in yield. Skiff is #1 in tank, #2 in Ore. Hulk is #1 in yield, .. and thats it), but it seems that is the way they want it.

I try to make it a policy to not get dropped in on at all, but having the hulk even a bit softer I don't really get, or agree with. Was very little room for error before. It won't stop me from using it however. ;)

You neglected to read the fact that the hulk is getting a resist nerf, making its tank worse than it was. The yield difference is also, eh... When you take into account the fact that it can't be cargo expanded anymore, or carry lots of mining charges, it DEFINITELY got nerfed pretty hard.

well all I know is in the real eve world...a lot of hulk owners are trading theirs in. most for Macks. A few of us who mine in dangerous places, for skiffs. I just love the tanking ability of the skiff for slightly less mining amount. With the hulk not having enough room for crystals I am force to mine hulks with t1 lasers. So am switching to skiffs with t2. I can hold a full set minus 1. Probably leave out scordite as it mines the fastest and little of it in null belts. A skiff with t2 crystals mines almost as much as a hulk with t1 lasers. It comes out to 5 minutes extra mining an hour to make up for it. Yeah I have to hassle with crystals, but only 1. so I also dont have to worry about 1 veldspar breaking before the other.

I know everyone is screaming Macks rule. but they are still easy to gank. Skiffs are going to be more common then you think. Especially after the next hulkageddon and they find out skiffs are hard to gank and cheap to replace. Yes they sell for 150 mil but trust me, they only cost 55mil or so to make. I know..I make and sell them and I can't believe the profits on skiff's atm.

what bothers me about the hulk change is the size of the ship and no cargo. They need to switch ship models. make the hulk look like the skiff, the skiff the mack and the mack the hulk. I mean really, a massive ship and no cargo just because it has 3 lasers. Lets get real (yes I know its a game) we wouldn't need such a massive ship if we can hardly hold anything. In the old days it made sense because hulks also had the largest cargo.

I think its okay to leave it nerfed it they change the ore hold to bigger then the mack. say 40k base, 50k with bonuses. Otherwise it makes no sense the mack has such a massive ore hold and hulk gets a dinky little one because gee, it mines more.

I am a hard core miner. been mining for 4 years no breaks. ask anyone. I never get tired of it. I know mining. I guess that is all self proclaimed and so the trolls will have a field day. I have 8 hulk accounts, all with exhumers 5. Ship wise I dont care I have 8 skiffs 8 macks and 8 hulks. Just sad. My first awesome mining ship is now relegated to mercoxit duty.. It can hold enough crystals for that and spares (mer crystals seem to bust fast).

Hulk was not made to be used in HIGH sec. Its place is 0.0 belts ! Where it will mine in a large group where it doe snto need a cargo hold neither to be able to hold against suicide gankers because its protected! There the mine yield will make it worht

The old version of the Hulk said something about the dangers of deep space. The new hulk is now a fleet ship pure and simple.

This is why organized mining parties have dedicated haulers or a rorqual for ore compression.
You might be correct that a HULK requires a better organization to be the best choice...
Which is exactly how CCP intended it to be ;-)

You bring up a good point I have also thought of. For ice I am pretty sure your output per hour would go up using Macks and have the hauler in a Mack and just forgo that. But I haven't crunched the numbers. but it could be the little time to warp to the pos and back and have an extra miner out ways the little extra output of the hulk. ON ore you would fill up even a 35k ore hold (with good skills) that likely still best to have a hauler. Well depends on the number of miners your hauler is supporting. There is a break even point I am sure.

I myself am stopping using the hulk for the convenience of the large ore hold of the mack or even skiff. My skills are such that 8500 is still a single cycle. Even with t1 miners I get 1600 per turret, which is 4800 and so double cycle is 9600. So the difference between 7500 and 8500 doesn't matter. Even on ice its worthless cause you need 3000 6000 9000. So for ice 2 cycles on a hulk. ore only one

I can use a mack and just mine a few extra minutes per hour. Well I really plan to just use skiffs. for ore and use t2 crystals. Macks for ice. Hulks for mercoxit. Course in high sec a mack holds enough t2 crystals. I just think they will be gank bait. They are still pretty weak..though better then the hulk. So i guess now hulks are prime gank bait.

Interestingly hulks yesterday were 250 in jita, macks 300 and skiffs 240. Oh my previous pos on cost to make a skiff was in error as they increased the matts. Yesterdays cost depending on how you invent ends up around 100 to 110mil to make a skiff. That includes the datacores and assumes 35% success rate. though for some reason I have been getting 50%. dont tell CCP in case that is a bug. haha. OH eventually I will do 10 and only 1 success and be back to 35%. but out of the 20 copies to invent gotten 10 successes.