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Frying Doom
#2961 - 2012-08-07 23:12:50 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
rodyas wrote:

Well good point, a lot of views and gameplay kind of flows back and forth during these discussions, and its hard to always be in one flow.

I don't really support ganking being profitable, unless it npc ganking. Kind of like how missions are or ratting. (But people usually get bored ganking NPCs unless its a main boss or something. Like Sansha herself appearing in an incursion, people might line up to gank her.)

The other flow or gameplay, is how overwhelming the gankers seem to be. It seems like you are surrounded by them, and they will never leave or go away. That gameplay is the one I was talking about in that post. Like has been said here, even if ganking was unprofitable, pilots would still try to gank you. Which ends up leaving you feel, like you are surrounded by them, and they will never leave ya alone.


The only place where ganking is overwhelming is these forums. In the game itself ganking is a rather rare event outside hulkageddon.

Umm you do realize Goonswarm was paying extra bounties for mining barge and exhumer kills? the whole hulkagedon forever thing.

Probably why its members are complaining about the changes so much, less people will gank miners (at their current payout levels), so less exhumers needed to be manufactured, so less tech needed (They have already said that Alchemy will not be a profitable substitute for tech) so less profit for the tech moon owners.

So in the end it comes down to Mining ship changes bad for tech moon owners business.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2962 - 2012-08-07 23:14:46 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Umm you do realize Goonswarm was paying extra bounties for mining barge and exhumer kills? the whole hulkagedon forever thing.



Its amazing how few people have taken up this offer.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2963 - 2012-08-07 23:17:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
baltec1 wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Umm you do realize Goonswarm was paying extra bounties for mining barge and exhumer kills? the whole hulkagedon forever thing.



Its amazing how few people have taken up this offer.


i paid out like 5b the other day for like 4 days worth of ganks

i also convinced the guy who was handling your perma-mwd megathron reimbursement request to pay it out

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#2964 - 2012-08-07 23:18:56 UTC
I was ganked once, it was alright, killed in low sec as well. So those places are in shutdown, till it doesn't happen in a way.

You will have to tell me about wearing a seatbelt, I havn't worn one for awhile, and I forgot what the feel of a collar feels like.
As for an umbrella, it sucked carrying it around. As for no helmet while skiing, that is easy, just don't panic when you hit someone, just grab them in yoru arms, and flex to keep them safe and roll with them, using your body to protect them. That is what I do, helmets are for noobs. Though I was hoping to snowboard amongst the trees, and I was hoping to use a helmet for that, since I would be new at it.

The me being dense part is this. Mining while tanked so no one ganks you, is not a victory condition, you don't win EVE for it, then get flown to iceland for people to celebrate your victory. You have to mine on, and when you mine on with a tank and no one ganks you, it gets boring.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2965 - 2012-08-07 23:19:15 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
So in the end it comes down to Mining ship changes bad for tech moon owners business.


aaaand here comes the tinfoil

you should ask rubyporto how much tech his alliance holds

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2966 - 2012-08-07 23:20:04 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:

i paid out like 5b the other day for like 4 days worth of ganks

i also convinced the guy who was handling your perma-mwd megathron reimbursement request to pay it out


I was only expecting the 2 mil for the cynoLol
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#2967 - 2012-08-07 23:21:17 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Umm you do realize Goonswarm was paying extra bounties for mining barge and exhumer kills? the whole hulkagedon forever thing.



Its amazing how few people have taken up this offer.


i paid out like 5b the other day for like 4 days worth of ganks

i also convinced the guy who was handling your perma-mwd megathron reimbursement request to pay it out


You should respect the the plea for the reimbursement for the perma-mwd megathron, it is really hard to run from low sec camps, and he was doing his best.

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Pipa Porto
#2968 - 2012-08-07 23:22:01 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Umm you do realize Goonswarm was paying extra bounties for mining barge and exhumer kills? the whole hulkagedon forever thing.

Probably why its members are complaining about the changes so much, less people will gank miners (at their current payout levels), so less exhumers needed to be manufactured, so less tech needed (They have already said that Alchemy will not be a profitable substitute for tech) so less profit for the tech moon owners.

So in the end it comes down to Mining ship changes bad for tech moon owners business.


So? Nothing's stopping you from running a counterbounty, paying for people's Hulk losses. Or paying for Goon kills.
A Player organization's actions isn't relevant to a discussion of game mechanical balance.

Alchemy doesn't have to be profitable to cut Tech prices down hard (it's already halved Tech Prices just by being announced). It just has to be there, ready to step in to break any price fixing Cartel.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#2969 - 2012-08-07 23:22:02 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
So in the end it comes down to Mining ship changes bad for tech moon owners business.


aaaand here comes the tinfoil

you should ask rubyporto how much tech his alliance holds


But ruby porto is a miner, what would he know about a pvp allaince's finances?

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Yeep
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2970 - 2012-08-07 23:23:18 UTC
rodyas wrote:

You will have to tell me about wearing a seatbelt, I havn't worn one for awhile, and I forgot what the feel of a collar feels like.


So I guess when you crash and fly through the windscreen and end up in a wheelchair for life you'll sue the manufacturer of the car you hit for not making it soft enough.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2971 - 2012-08-07 23:23:55 UTC
rodyas wrote:
But ruby porto is a miner, what would he know about a pvp allaince's finances?


what

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Pipa Porto
#2972 - 2012-08-07 23:25:06 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
So in the end it comes down to Mining ship changes bad for tech moon owners business.


aaaand here comes the tinfoil

you should ask rubyporto how much tech his alliance holds


SnigWaffe (aka. Waffles), member of the Your Votes Don't Count Alliance owns (so far as I know) 0 Tech Moons. This massive windfall funds our generous 0% (and abuse for asking) ship reimbursement program.

I know, we all have to have a profit motive in our posting. What other motive could there be?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2973 - 2012-08-07 23:25:11 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
rodyas wrote:

You should respect the the plea for the reimbursement for the perma-mwd megathron, it is really hard to run from low sec camps, and he was doing his best.


That was the welpmega the other day. 45 jumps all alone to get home after stomping on an -A- BS fleet with a vagabond chasingCool The reimbursment was for the drakgathron that died in the delve campain.
Pipa Porto
#2974 - 2012-08-07 23:25:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Richard Desturned wrote:
rodyas wrote:
But ruby porto is a miner, what would he know about a pvp allaince's finances?


what


He's talking about how I used to be a Miner. Exhumers 4, Bayyyybeeee.

I have since reformed.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Jim Era
#2975 - 2012-08-07 23:27:15 UTC
From the forums over the span of this week, I honestly don't see why people are so angry at goonswarm honestly. They provide (opinionated views of mine only) intellectual discussion, they are good at what they do, and they do what everyone in EVE wants to do, win.
Of course strife is necessary in game, or else there would be no content.
Why so much QQ?
Or am I completely missing the point and the forums are part of the content, to make tensions rise therefore adding to more exhilirating gameplay.


p.s. **** spelling.

Wat™
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#2976 - 2012-08-07 23:27:17 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
rodyas wrote:
But ruby porto is a miner, what would he know about a pvp allaince's finances?


what


He's talking about how I used to be a Miner. Exhumers 4, Bayyyybe.

I have since reformed.


Its an old joke, back when pipa would post in the lame mining thread I created.

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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#2977 - 2012-08-07 23:28:54 UTC
Yeep wrote:
rodyas wrote:

You will have to tell me about wearing a seatbelt, I havn't worn one for awhile, and I forgot what the feel of a collar feels like.


So I guess when you crash and fly through the windscreen and end up in a wheelchair for life you'll sue the manufacturer of the car you hit for not making it soft enough.


Perhaps, who knows what I will do when the time comes. Most likely I will just get disability ( you paying for me, through your own pocket) then just play EVE all day.

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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#2978 - 2012-08-07 23:30:52 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
rodyas wrote:
But ruby porto is a miner, what would he know about a pvp allaince's finances?


what


He's talking about how I used to be a Miner. Exhumers 4, Bayyyybeeee.

I have since reformed.


Its kind of funny, my old CEO was the same as you. Started out mining, then moved to pirating and said it was much more fun. I am still kind of expecting that to happen to me someday, Just wake up and turn pirate, but it hasn't happened yet.

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Pipa Porto
#2979 - 2012-08-07 23:33:21 UTC
rodyas wrote:
I was ganked once, it was alright, killed in low sec as well. So those places are in shutdown, till it doesn't happen in a way.

You will have to tell me about wearing a seatbelt, I havn't worn one for awhile, and I forgot what the feel of a collar feels like.
As for an umbrella, it sucked carrying it around. As for no helmet while skiing, that is easy, just don't panic when you hit someone, just grab them in yoru arms, and flex to keep them safe and roll with them, using your body to protect them. That is what I do, helmets are for noobs. Though I was hoping to snowboard amongst the trees, and I was hoping to use a helmet for that, since I would be new at it.

The me being dense part is this. Mining while tanked so no one ganks you, is not a victory condition, you don't win EVE for it, then get flown to iceland for people to celebrate your victory. You have to mine on, and when you mine on with a tank and no one ganks you, it gets boring.


If you don't like using a safety device, feel free to not use it. Just don't complain when you suffer consequences for not using available safety devices.

By the way, I've worked wrecks with unsecured passengers. Most of them aren't collecting disability.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Pipa Porto
#2980 - 2012-08-07 23:35:15 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
rodyas wrote:
But ruby porto is a miner, what would he know about a pvp allaince's finances?


what


He's talking about how I used to be a Miner. Exhumers 4, Bayyyybeeee.

I have since reformed.


Its kind of funny, my old CEO was the same as you. Started out mining, then moved to pirating and said it was much more fun. I am still kind of expecting that to happen to me someday, Just wake up and turn pirate, but it hasn't happened yet.


My Route was Mine > Make friends > Realize that Missions pay better > Get invited to null by acquaintance of Mining Friends > Make friends in WI. > Bump around. Meanwhile, most of my old mining buddies have unsubbed.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto