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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#461 - 2012-08-04 06:59:16 UTC
Rats wrote:
rodyas wrote:
But in a way your not banned. You are letting them know who you are. The same poster who was banned. But they let you keep posting anyhow.

That is the total eraser part. Here you are still talking, but nothing from your past identity is present or can be found.

p.s. Have they forced you to confess your sins to CCP navigator yet, for you to get unbanned?




"I would like to remind you that discussions of warnings, bans or other specific moderation actions are not allowed on our forums" P

Tal



Your moderation isn't allowed to be discussed.

It is easy to tell the moderation of the ISD and CCP though. Its all business. Just try to see the business cycle. Then when players go past it, they come in and moderate. Its just hard to always stay inside the business curve for players,(as well as the circle can feel small at times) why ISD so bad at times. Of course, players being sad and changing actions does help to expand that business cycle or curve. Allowing us to go farther.

Just for communication to be present I suppose, that business curve must cleanse the forum, Then we are free to discuss ideas.

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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#462 - 2012-08-04 21:54:22 UTC
CCP Phantom wrote:
I would like to remind you that discussions of warnings, bans or other specific moderation actions are not allowed on our forums. However, you can contact always the EVE Community team via the petition system in case of serious questions regarding specific moderation actions.

I think the reason Pipa/Ruby would like to see a way to know when a post has been edited/removed is a good one.

In a very long thread, posts can end up edited without us being aware of it. There are times that a person may not realize they have crossed a line, and they will continue oblivious unless they check every post of theirs every day.

I understand that this could be used by some as a way to argue their moderation. This is the unfortunate nature of forums.

It still woudl be beneficial for us to know when we have crossed the line, even for minor things.
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#463 - 2012-08-07 08:33:41 UTC
Well just stop posting before you read the thread. Its usually easy to detect what was deleted.

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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#464 - 2012-08-07 17:16:32 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Well just stop posting before you read the thread. Its usually easy to detect what was deleted.

Not in a 100+ page thread when editing could be anywhere within those 100 pages.

Some of us post a lot, especially in more active threads.


I understand the issues with the request, which is why I am not pushing for it as much as I would like.


On a side note: I was edited!!! Yay. Well, a quote was edited...
Pipa Porto
#465 - 2012-08-07 18:28:35 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Well just stop posting before you read the thread. Its usually easy to detect what was deleted.


Yes, because I want to read hundreds of pages of material that I already wrote, read, and probably only foggily remember to look for the hidden: "Edited By: ISD...."

I'd be happy if re-edits of ISD edited posts had to be approved before posting (maybe with a cooldown to avoid spam?), but I'd like to be notified when somebody makes changes to things I've written that have my name next to them.

Which again comes down to trust. I think the ISDs have made great strides in their skills in moderation, but I don't trust them yet. Not being notified of edits essentially denies the poster a chance to petition and argue their case, or re-write the post to fix whatever's wrong (and put it back into their own words). I stand by my words. Ninja-Edits force me to inadvertently stand by someone else's words*.


*There was a thread before the initial kerfuffle whose OP got edited multiple times by ISDs to the point where it didn't reflect the OP's intent at all, then moved to an inappropriate place, then one of the CCP's told the OP that he posted in the wrong place and should fix his OP.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#466 - 2012-08-07 18:47:35 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:


*There was a thread before the initial kerfuffle whose OP got edited multiple times by ISDs to the point where it didn't reflect the OP's intent at all, then moved to an inappropriate place, then one of the CCP's told the OP that he posted in the wrong place and should fix his OP.



Thats just funny, sure it wasn't a mod having a giggle Lol

Tal


I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Pipa Porto
#467 - 2012-08-07 18:59:10 UTC
Rats wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:


*There was a thread before the initial kerfuffle whose OP got edited multiple times by ISDs to the point where it didn't reflect the OP's intent at all, then moved to an inappropriate place, then one of the CCP's told the OP that he posted in the wrong place and should fix his OP.



Thats just funny, sure it wasn't a mod having a giggle Lol

Tal





I'm not sure that's better. I love it when Devs and Mods troll people by posting. Trolling people using mod tools just isn't sporting.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#468 - 2012-08-07 21:14:17 UTC
But Pipa, if you don't like people using mod tools to troll, why don't you support miners rather then pvpers?

I am just trying to get people to use skills when they forum post, to help avoid the ISD gank. But you aren't helping me out, like you would help pvpers vs the miners. Fine maybe you guys should just get buffed at forum posting, that no one is allowed to gank you, and nothing bad happens, even though you don't use skills to post, or fit a good forum tank.

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Pipa Porto
#469 - 2012-08-07 21:27:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
rodyas wrote:
But Pipa, if you don't like people using mod tools to troll, why don't you support miners rather then pvpers?

I am just trying to get people to use skills when they forum post, to help avoid the ISD gank. But you aren't helping me out, like you would help pvpers vs the miners. Fine maybe you guys should just get buffed at forum posting, that no one is allowed to gank you, and nothing bad happens, even though you don't use skills to post, or fit a good forum tank.


Yeah...

The Tools that Gankers use are available to everyone. Make Mod Tools available to everyone, and I won't be bothered by ISDs and Devs using them to troll people.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#470 - 2012-08-07 21:59:03 UTC
Or you could give everyone skills, and tanking knowledge.

Giving everyone mod tools, would be a fun sub category in a forum.

Also read, crime and punishment. The give everyone mod tools, is a Nietzsche's Superman. But crime and punishment, shows how nietzche's superman doesn't always work out best for society. So you could make everyone a nietzche superman with dev tools, but the society of our forums would crumble.

But if, everyone being a god was bad for society, how can we have a god, or allow one to live?

Perhaps the ISD should come down then.

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Pipa Porto
#471 - 2012-08-07 22:28:30 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Or you could give everyone skills, and tanking knowledge.

Giving everyone mod tools, would be a fun sub category in a forum.

Also read, crime and punishment. The give everyone mod tools, is a Nietzsche's Superman. But crime and punishment, shows how nietzche's superman doesn't always work out best for society. So you could make everyone a nietzche superman with dev tools, but the society of our forums would crumble.

But if, everyone being a god was bad for society, how can we have a god, or allow one to live?

Perhaps the ISD should come down then.


Getting notified when your posts are edited is the Tank against ISD/Dev Trolling with Mod tools.

As for :stuff: about Nietzsche, :thbbth:

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#472 - 2012-08-08 00:35:52 UTC
Well good luck getting it, perhaps ya will who knows.

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Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#473 - 2012-08-08 08:40:19 UTC
Maybe you could get skills for the forums

Forum Tanking, 10% chance of posts not getting edited per lvl
Forum Editing, 10% chance of editing someone else s post successfully per lvl
Forum Trolling, 10% chance of not getting posts deleted per lvl


Tal

I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Quaaid
Phoenix Foundry
#474 - 2012-08-08 15:39:15 UTC
Bring back ISD Banhammer. They were the hero that the Forums deserved.
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#475 - 2012-08-09 21:13:18 UTC
Quaaid wrote:
Bring back ISD Banhammer. They were the hero that the Forums deserved.


You know if it was a film Arnold Schwarzenegger would play the part of ISD Banhammer, I can just hear him saying it .....

Tal

I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Private Pineapple
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#476 - 2012-08-16 17:09:25 UTC
CCP Navigator wrote:
It has become apparent over the last 24 hours that players are upset at the perceived locking of legitimate discussion threads on the forums.


Not only that, but locking of legitimate fun threads created with honest intentions.

There is a double standard going on with the "fun" threads throughout the forums (specifically General Discussion). This kind of inconsistency undermines your entire team.

The "fun" threads being those threads:

The Like and Get Likes Thread
What is the avatar above you thinking?
What would you say if you woke up to the Avatar above you in your bed?

While ISD locks all other fun threads instead of letting them die out as they usually do. They even go as far to call these threads "spam threads" and "troll threads" but this shows bias because how are the 3 threads I listed considered valid by their standards?

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ISD Eshtir
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#477 - 2012-08-16 18:45:30 UTC
Private Pineapple wrote:
CCP Navigator wrote:
It has become apparent over the last 24 hours that players are upset at the perceived locking of legitimate discussion threads on the forums.


Not only that, but locking of legitimate fun threads created with honest intentions.

There is a double standard going on with the "fun" threads throughout the forums (specifically General Discussion). This kind of inconsistency undermines your entire team.

The "fun" threads being those threads:

The Like and Get Likes Thread
What is the avatar above you thinking?
What would you say if you woke up to the Avatar above you in your bed?

While ISD locks all other fun threads instead of letting them die out as they usually do. They even go as far to call these threads "spam threads" and "troll threads" but this shows bias because how are the 3 threads I listed considered valid by their standards?


I think we all can agree that 3 threads of this nature are enough in General Discussion. I´m sure the majority of forum users dont want to see the first page of GD consisting of "What is the avatar ...." threads.

However, you are welcome to file a petition under the "community" tab to have your case looked into by a CCP employee.

ISD Eshtir

Captain

Community Communication Liaisons

Interstellar Services Department
Pipa Porto
#478 - 2012-08-16 18:52:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
ISD Eshtir wrote:
I think we all can agree that 3 threads of this nature are enough in General Discussion. I´m sure the majority of forum users dont want to see the first page of GD consisting of "What is the avatar ...." threads.

However, you are welcome to file a petition under the "community" tab to have your case looked into by a CCP employee.


I think his point is "Why those 3 Specific Threads?" and "Why any of those threads, since you're admitting that threads of that nature don't belong in GD by locking other threads of that nature."

And I'd say that the nature and application (or not) of rules that govern our behavior here is a matter of public interest and thus should be discussed publicly (since posting petition replies is a no-no, petitions don't fit that bill).

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#479 - 2012-08-17 04:46:53 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
ISD Eshtir wrote:
I think we all can agree that 3 threads of this nature are enough in General Discussion. I´m sure the majority of forum users dont want to see the first page of GD consisting of "What is the avatar ...." threads.

However, you are welcome to file a petition under the "community" tab to have your case looked into by a CCP employee.


I think his point is "Why those 3 Specific Threads?" and "Why any of those threads, since you're admitting that threads of that nature don't belong in GD by locking other threads of that nature."

And I'd say that the nature and application (or not) of rules that govern our behavior here is a matter of public interest and thus should be discussed publicly (since posting petition replies is a no-no, petitions don't fit that bill).


Of course, one would have to be slightly educated to discuss the nature and applications (or not) of rules that govern behavior.

And you have already stated earlier in this thread, you have no interest in education. So just getting anything you want easily, has been something you have brown nosed already in other threads. So I am not sure how to help you out really.

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Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#480 - 2012-08-21 07:43:36 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
ISD Eshtir wrote:
I think we all can agree that 3 threads of this nature are enough in General Discussion. I´m sure the majority of forum users dont want to see the first page of GD consisting of "What is the avatar ...." threads.

However, you are welcome to file a petition under the "community" tab to have your case looked into by a CCP employee.


I think his point is "Why those 3 Specific Threads?" and "Why any of those threads, since you're admitting that threads of that nature don't belong in GD by locking other threads of that nature."

And I'd say that the nature and application (or not) of rules that govern our behavior here is a matter of public interest and thus should be discussed publicly (since posting petition replies is a no-no, petitions don't fit that bill).


Of course, one would have to be slightly educated to discuss the nature and applications (or not) of rules that govern behavior.

And you have already stated earlier in this thread, you have no interest in education. So just getting anything you want easily, has been something you have brown nosed already in other threads. So I am not sure how to help you out really.




Didn't see where he was asking fro your help, as your not ISD but another pleb like the rest of us. Funny did Pipa upset you at some point, as your post came across as "you mad bro" to use the local vernacular ?

Tal

I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk