EVE General Discussion

I find it somewhat amusing that people are getting all butthurt over the fact that a bunch of ships are getting a bit of a much needed tank upgrade rather than having a tank made of Cardboardium™ Alloy and there T2 Counterparts being made of of TinFoilium™ enhanced Cardboardium™ Alloy

I'd also hate my player base for all the moronic assumptions.

I never said suicide ganking should be eliminated. I just don't think it should be profitable. Its amazing how so many think catering to d-bags is somehow sustainable in what is supposed to be a sandbox game. You want to see a game population where the wolves outnumber the sheep and no safety zones? Take a look at Darkfall.

How bout this? Vigilantes should be CONCORD-exempt. Free to shoot you, but free to be shot at.

Seems it would be a win for all? But I'm not thinking too deeply about it, second-order consequences and beyond... shrug.

See, I can be reasonable Richard :)

You got the Insurance Nerf.
You got the Suddenly CONCORD fix to aggro kiting.
You got the wardec changes that Dramatically favor the defenders.
You got the proposed Crimewatch changes that make it essentially impossible to loot the cargo of a ganked Freighter.
You got the proposed Crimewatch changes that were originally going to allow RR with CONCORD protection.

It all paints a picture, no matter what your stated objectives are.

Hulks can be fit such that they are not profitable to gank right now. The others need roles to fill, but if one ship's going to have the role of Tankey Miner, why are they all getting buffs that take away from that role bonus?

To fit the roles, the Skiff should have a great Tank, a middling Yield, and a smallish Cargo.
The Mackinaw should have a small Tank, a middling Yield, and a Great Cargo.
The Hulk should have a small Tank, a Great Yield, and a smallish Cargo.

You're giving the Skiff an insane Tank, a middling Yield, and a very good Cargo.
The Mackinaw a great Tank, a middling Yield, and a Great Cargo.
The Hulk a great Tank, a Great Yield, and a smallish Cargo.

When the Mack can have ~60k EHP, why bother with the Skiff?
When the Hulk can have ~45k EHP, why bother with the Skiff?

35k EHP is already unprofitable to Gank. The Extra 10k will remove Exhumer ganking entirely.


Oh, and the other 2 Exhumers with max MLUs should be able to out-mine a 0 MLU Hulk. Otherwise people are going to keep using the Hulk and tanking it (probably badly).

Gankers are not responsable for your actions, just the consiquences

I'm curious to how you manage to fit a hulk currently with 35k ehp because atm without jumping to officer level fits which certainly become profitable to gank I'm topping out at around 20k ehp with completely scraping yield in favor of tank using T2 mods. I'm certain you could find quite a few gankers willing to go after a hulk with 45k EHP sporting a few billion in mods to get up to that 45k ehp that you speak of.

Since the consequence is a gank, that would make gankers responsible for ganking. Others just aid in target selection.

Doesnt matter how you try to word it, the problem for the miner always starts with them not fitting a tank.

Doesnt matter how you try to word it, the problem for the miner always starts with them not fitting a tank.

Note you've got the tool set for all your skills to V. In actual practice, that's probably not going to be true. That's a huge time investment.