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Science says: modern musicians are doin' it wrong

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Rajan Marelona
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2012-08-03 12:35:25 UTC
They get paid. So who say they do it wrong ?
They do it ugly, yes, but the sad true is that they do it right.
Idiots buy crap and there are many idiots and idiots like crap.
Crap sells. Market wins. Death of good music and triumf of capitalism. Huray !
Jim Roebuck
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-08-05 02:37:41 UTC
Linna Excel wrote:
Everyone knows rap isn't music. It's people shouting obscenities with dance music playing in the background.



And mix them together, you have music, numbnuts.

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-08-05 03:10:59 UTC
Jim Roebuck wrote:
Linna Excel wrote:
Everyone knows rap isn't music. It's people shouting obscenities with dance music playing in the background.



And mix them together, you have music, numbnuts.


unless it's rap

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Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#24 - 2012-08-05 06:55:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Fronkfurter McSheebleton
First, we should take into account the advent of 12-bar blues, which might have contributed a bit.

Second, coming off of the era of jazz, musical theory wanking isn't as popular as it once was...it's not as common to see music that's complicated for the sake of being complicated. (I'm looking at you, free jazz)

Third, these "simpler" songs as often as not follow a pentatonic scale in some form or another, which is in established music theory is about as natural as it gets for the human mind. (science linky, watch this)

That aside, music hasn't gotten dumber s much as the people that market it have gotten smarter. The catchy stuff is what gets marketed, because it's easy to market, but if you look away from the top 100, there's really a lot of well-written music still coming out and selling well because it's good, not because the guy on tv said to buy it.

All this study proves is that people are too dumb to decide what they like for themselves. Stray off the beaten path a bit and there's a ton of really good music floating around unnoticed.

thhief ghabmoef
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#25 - 2012-08-05 08:05:34 UTC
Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:


That aside, music hasn't gotten dumber s much as the people that market it have gotten smarter. The catchy stuff is what gets marketed, because it's easy to market, but if you look away from the top 100, there's really a lot of well-written music still coming out and selling well because it's good, not because the guy on tv said to buy it.

All this study proves is that people are too dumb to decide what they like for themselves. Stray off the beaten path a bit and there's a ton of really good music floating around unnoticed.


This i actually agree with 100%. There is a lot of music that few people will know that is really well made and catches your interest. Im going to add in two links (neither are new new but they arent that old either ;) ). Sorry but both of them will also be in Norwegian.

Kaizers Orchestra - 170
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ookuLGzK8Bo

Seigmen - Döderlein
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMeHf65_aIQ

But yes in general i dont listen to much "new" music anymore since what is being advertised is..well in general not something i react on,and i dont go to festivals or odd bar concerts anymore so i dont hear much "unadvertised" music.

But i also think it has something to do with just simply getting older. Some of the music that i found great when i was younger is highly disliked by others now at that age,but i still enjoy listening to it because it reminds me about a different time and places. New music dosent have this obviusly,thus i find my self listening to the same music for years and years and ask my daughter to turn down the sound because the neighboors will think we are killing the cats Lol

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Bill Serkoff2
Tachyon Technology
#26 - 2012-08-05 20:46:41 UTC
Popular music is, indeed, getting worse - however, unpopular music can shine, however rare it is.

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Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#27 - 2012-08-06 03:48:00 UTC
^ Not as rare as you'd think...

thhief ghabmoef
Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-08-06 12:14:47 UTC
Well DUH! Pop music isn't music because it's not played with instruments anymore; it's not the pop music of yesteryear. Of course it all sounds the same because it all IS the same.

Metal and rock are the only genres (including all their respective subgenres) of popular music left in which real musicians are required to actually have some semblance of musicianship and songwriting talent.

But then again, pop music was never about music anyway.
Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-08-06 12:16:02 UTC
Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:
First, we should take into account the advent of 12-bar blues, which might have contributed a bit.

Second, coming off of the era of jazz, musical theory wanking isn't as popular as it once was...it's not as common to see music that's complicated for the sake of being complicated. (I'm looking at you, free jazz)

Third, these "simpler" songs as often as not follow a pentatonic scale in some form or another, which is in established music theory is about as natural as it gets for the human mind. (science linky, watch this)

That aside, music hasn't gotten dumber s much as the people that market it have gotten smarter. The catchy stuff is what gets marketed, because it's easy to market, but if you look away from the top 100, there's really a lot of well-written music still coming out and selling well because it's good, not because the guy on tv said to buy it.

All this study proves is that people are too dumb to decide what they like for themselves. Stray off the beaten path a bit and there's a ton of really good music floating around unnoticed.


This. So hard.
Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-08-06 12:17:30 UTC
Jim Roebuck wrote:
Linna Excel wrote:
Everyone knows rap isn't music. It's people shouting obscenities with dance music playing in the background.



And mix them together, you have music, numbnuts.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

No. Go learn how to play an instrument.
Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-08-06 12:26:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Astenion
And then when you think there's nothing left out there that's any good, along comes a band like Sky Architects and Other Lives
Something Random
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-08-07 21:48:43 UTC
There is no permanent reality - it changes.
There is no similar person - they are different and they can change.

So there is a lot of different music. Cause there are a lot of different situations and different people.

Id like to know what the 'achievement' here was ? what was to be gained through this ?

One tune that was complex enough and with acceptable lyrical content that will be the only tune played forever more ?

Come now... ignore the wasted research grant and let the music play on.

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