Wormholes

I shoot LAZORS, and faction crystals are definitely worth it, though it's the cheap fallback for situations where I do not need to burn t2 crystals. Scorch for long range, Conflag for short range and faction multi for more tracking. Never plain t1.

For autocannons pretty much no one seems to use faction or t2 ammo, since autocannons burn trough your cargo holds so goddamn fast. With hybrids, faction antimatter seems to be much more popular. Missiles I know nothing about.

Sorry, although I mentioned missiles in my OP I should have specified more clearly that I am talking only of Missiles.

My amarr friends use faction and T2 exclusively as well.

The way the Tengu spams missiles it seems I would go through a ton of faction missiles and at the cost I am wary that they would do enough better to offset it.

It's one thing to be elitist to just be elitist. But still stupid if there is no real value.

I already use T2 ammo against the battleships.

I have tried precision, but honestly its not worth it. 10sec for an ammo change, and usually the frigs are dead before they would get into precision range (since that ammo's range is far shorter than T1 or Fury. Let's face it, if you are using a Tengu and not taking full advantage of HM range you are prolly doing something wrong.

Faction HM are 13 times more expensive than T1. And twice as expensive as T2 Furies

Precision is well worth if if you have a dedicated frig killer. If you don't think so, you are doing it wrong. However, if you are running solo, I would agree as the reload time isn't worth the difference in DPS. Solo, shoot T2 Rage and carry Faction for PVP because you will get jumped sooner or later. And if you are having that many issues with range/applied DPS (versus EFT theoretical) perhaps there should be more SP to be spent in Missiles...

EDIT: My intention isn't to argue, but much of this discussion is ship/fleet dependent. If you are running Solo there is a "right" answer, that may not be "right" with 2 or more people. It is not uncommon to see 3 Tengu or Drake running C3 sites. Obviously they can be done solo with the right ship as well.

Bring all types, but you don't need to be using anything other than T1 and T2 in sleeper sites---T2 vs BS and cruisers and T1 vs frigs (or even just T2 still if you have some webs/TP's with you).

In general though, faction isn't a huge cost. Consider that your ROF is 3.75s (taken from a random C3 RR tengu fit I had in eft, should be more or less accurate). WIth 6 launchers, you will shoot 6 missiles in 3.75s and that amounts to 5760 missiles per hour per tengu, assuming you are shooting 100% of the time (a more accurate number is probably in the range of 50-75%).

At about ~1100isk per faction missile, ~80isk per t1 missile, and ~540isk per T2 missile you get (assuming you fire 100% of the time, again, and this is with only 1 tengu)

~6.34mil/hour cost w/ faction
~3.11mil/hour cost w/ T2
~0.46mil/hour cost w T1

So basically it really doesn't matter what ammo you use as far as cost goes (since I'm assuming you're making somewhat decent isk/hour in a C3)

There is obviously no reason to use faction over T2 when T2 will do the same or more damage (vs BS and cruiser sized targets, assuming you fit at least 1 T2 rigor, which you should). With frigs it's your choice really. You won't be shooting nearly long enough vs frigs for the cost of faction vs t1 to make a big difference at all.

To answer your question more fully--the answer is yes, the faction ammo (assuming you only use it vs frigs, and maybe cruisers) will offset it's cost. That is to say, that assuming 25% of your time is spent killing frigs/cruisers with faction ammo (probably accurate), using faction ammo will cost you ~1.7mil/hour, and I can tell you right now that the increased speed of doing sites will make you more than 1.7mil/hour in increased profit.

I wouldn't use Faction for running WH sites. For me it's just a needless expense.

We normally run in C5's and with the extra Battleships we will generally use Fury and then precision on the Frigates.

I did some math a few weeks back and it came out something like this (based on shooting cruisers)


T1 missiles did 8% less damage than Fury and Fury did 6% less damage than Faction.


If you then add in the number of BS's in C5's then, at least for us, it made sense to stick with T2 Heavies.

I'm not familiar with running C3's but if there are significantly less BS's then you might want to use T1's or Faction.

Regards

Barrak

Have only ever used T2 Scourge heavy missiles in our Tengus
We did try swapping out for precisions for the Argos platforms and frigs which generally do take them down quicker but generally no-one cba to swap ammo.
We make all the T2 missiles we need in our system too so no need to haul anything in and always a good supply there which seems to work well