EVE General Discussion

Problem is that that 1 point of tank pushes it over the magic "enough to be unprofitable" EHP limit.

It also has a better yield than the Skiff so, right now, it's a 3pt ship.

Give the Mack a 60k Cargo (or 100k, who cares), a Hulk-like tank, and a Skiff's yield. Make each a 2pt specialized ship.

LOL! Seriously? Gankers are doing their dang best to make sure miners are as easy to gank as possible. Just look at the tears that were flowing with regard to the improvements in mining tankability. They were still going to be gankable, especially the Hulk, but that didn't stop the gankers from raising holy hell on the issue. So I find it absolutely hysterical that you claim that gankers aren't trying to influence how effectively ganking can occur.

I did like the strawman arguments about entirely banning mining on one side and getting ganking banned on the other, though (neither of which I have seen argued for).

The Hulk was initially getting a number of buffs that haven't made it to now. The Hulk as is on SISI is pretty much fine.

The Mackinaw's too tanky because it hits the magic unprofitable number while doing everything better than the Skiff.

The Skiff could use some buffs because who cares. The Mack does everything the Skiff does as well or better (except working as Bait with a Cyno).


As for being gankable, yes, a Damnation is "Gankable" ...technically.

If you haven't seen the people yelling for banning ganking (esp ganking as a profession), you haven't been looking. They were especially prevalent when this HAG first got started.

+1

Min/Max and excessive optimization are not fun, to me. Games should not be less fun than my real job.

Take away jump freighters. Make logistics routes more of a reality. Make people slow boat from gate to gate. Null sec = blobs.

You need to remember that certain types of players are very vocal and others tend to keep quiet.

Didn’t CCP say only 10% of people look at the forums? I assume even less actually bother posting. Just like the comments you see on news websites, youtube videos etc, it’s mostly the people at the extreme ends of any viewpoint that tend to speak up, the moderates and the slightly more considered people stay quiet or get drowned out or flamed by the idiots. Extremists always make the most noise and present the simplest worldviews, same thing happens in politics.

For every griefer that thinks the sky is falling because mining barges got a HP buff (lol) there are 100 people that don’t give a ****.

What you see on the forums doesn’t represent what the majority of the playerbase thinks, just the few that make the most noise.

Somebody in this thread made a very good point a few pages back (sorry, too lazy to go back and quote it), but there's too much of an ISK faucet in highsec to make it worth going anywhere else. Between L4 missions, lots of asteroid belts, and ice belts that never depelete, why would someone go to lowsec for industrious activities? Sure, they might want a POS to do research or build caps, but that's about it.

If you want to breathe life into lowsec there are several things you can do:

1.) Make asteroid belts in highsec much smaller and limit it to Veldspar only. They will exhaust quicker and require people to go to lowsec to get minerals. Also remove the unlimited ICE FFS!
2.) Nerf the income of missions in highsec. That means both loyalty points and bounties. Make it worth it to go to lowsec to mission and force players to band together to give protective cover for their buddies.
3.) Nerf the amount of manufacturing and research slots in highsec stations.

The proposed changes to lowsec gate guns will already make it impossible to static camp entry systems for the exception of pounce campers.

Surely, this will shake the economy for a little while, but it will slowly make Eve players much more well rounded. They will have to participate in certain types of PVP more often outside of wardecs. This change would also spur mini-trade hubs in lowsec where you can sell things at higher prices than in highsec, thus offsetting the occasional losses to industrialists from living in lowsec.

You will also see fewer 1-3 man alt corps that don't interface with the community other than selling whatever it is they produce/make. I positive that if you do this there will be far less highsec ganking, lowsec dwellers will be happier because their traffic will have gone up and they'll have stiffer opposition, and you'll also show the perma-carebear how much fun pvp can be. Eve is a PVP game. It should be played like one.

You are correct in identifying the problem, but incorrect in solution.

1.) Veldspar is one of the more profitable ores. You don't need to limit the highsec ores or somehow change the highsec belts, you need to do an across the board rebalance of mineral requirements on all the BPOs so that lowsec ores are actually valuable (iirc scordite is currently giving some of the ABC ores a run for their money)

2.) highsec vs. lowsec LP is fine from what I've seen (although I admit I haven't looked at it extensively). Lowsec NPC bounties and mission rewards definitely need a boost, but you can't boost them too far without approaching nullsec profitability. Nerf highsec a small amount (~3-8%) and boost lowsec a larger amount (~10-20%) to start. I'm willing for changes like this to happen slowly and to observe the effects on lowsec and the economy as long as CCP acknowledges the issue.

3.) I really don't think this is an issue. Even the lowsec ME slots are full for 1+ weeks, PE slots are fairly easy to find but not ridiculous, and a lot of manufacturing takes place in POSes as is. I'm not opposed to it, I just don't think it's needed. Focus on 1.) and 2.) first.

If you're a miner, you go where the asteroids are.

If you're a ratter, you go where the rats are.

If you're an explorer, you go where the anoms are.

If you're a mission runner, you go where the agents are.

If you're a trader, you go where the markets are.

If you're a pirate, you go where the clueless people with lots of cash are.

My last excursion to Goonswarm territory didn't have any pirates in it.