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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#21 - 2011-10-12 08:49:56 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Thorn Galen wrote:
My point of view though is that I have nothing to offer a big Corp at this point in time, until I have a decent skillset.

The only person who has nothing to offer is a person who is not willing to offer anything.


Please accept my apology, I read what you wrote out of context and responded in like manner.

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Aubrey Addams
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2011-10-12 09:27:18 UTC
Aurelius Valentius wrote:
Greetings,

I was listening to the Voices Podcast and doing some mining (Player v. Rock) and something along the lines of the cast got me thinking about why EVE seems to have some major contradicions that really do shoot it in the foot, and I am sure there are others with some, so for CCP (since there is this new openess with CCCP, er... CCP about communications) it may help to clear of the things that some players are all about with here.

Mine:

1. "TRUST NO ONE IN EVE" - then - "JOIN A CORP or the game sucks basically, and it does, I know I have been solo for 2yrs, but I am odd that way, I like suckage apparently.

2. "We want new players" - then - Rookie ships and starting frigates and cruisers really do look like the crappiest ship in the game.

3. "YOU MUST GO TO NULL TO GET RICH" - then - "TRUST NO ONE", but only can you get there if you JOIN an ALLIANCE...

... right off the bat this came to mind, list you can think of some... enjoy.




I was a person like you, playing alone, quit for half year, came back, play alone, grind lvl 4's, mine, trying to make money, bored, etc. Then I got really bored and take a big breath, sold all my stuff, jump in my pod and applied to a 0.0 corp. And the first days I learnt more about the game than in a year in high-sec.

EVE is just like real life, thats why these things you mentioned are not contradictions.

If you want to experience the real beauty and opportunities of EVE, join a 0.0 corp, or at least any corp. As I see you are 2 years old, you can do some things out there.
IQ 001
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2011-10-12 09:33:19 UTC
Ship sizes
Salvatore Satriani
Absolute Order XVIII
Absolute Will
#24 - 2011-10-12 09:59:55 UTC
Warping through planets, suns, and stations!
Feligast
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2011-10-12 10:26:31 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Dam you people who think you need skills to come out to null, WE NEED UNSKILLED PILOTS!!!!

For the last week, half the fleets I have been in have kinda sucked due to lack of fast tackle, for the simple reason that what noobs are out there are afraid to look unskilled in a rifter. Get in fast tackle, and get out here to help us(which ever corp/alliance/faction you like, I've seen this in opposing fleets too), and if you find yourself liking the tackle roles, you can always skill in that direction.

Without the experience out here tho, you will never know WHAT you need to train to be effective in a fleet, and will keep thinking you need more.

Edit: I've been doing a bit of recruiting lately, and most pilots who join up find themselves in a rifter anyway, since they aren't trained for the doctrine fleets they need to fly anyway.


This. Even more experienced pilots now and then should just jump in a rifter, join fleet, and get back to that time in your EVE career where you just barreled out there trying to catch something.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#26 - 2011-10-12 10:42:28 UTC
Aurelius Valentius wrote:
Greetings,

I was listening to the Voices Podcast and doing some mining (Player v. Rock) and something along the lines of the cast got me thinking about why EVE seems to have some major contradicions that really do shoot it in the foot, and I am sure there are others with some, so for CCP (since there is this new openess with CCCP, er... CCP about communications) it may help to clear of the things that some players are all about with here.

Mine:

1. "TRUST NO ONE IN EVE" - then - "JOIN A CORP or the game sucks basically, and it does, I know I have been solo for 2yrs, but I am odd that way, I like suckage apparently.

2. "We want new players" - then - Rookie ships and starting frigates and cruisers really do look like the crappiest ship in the game.

3. "YOU MUST GO TO NULL TO GET RICH" - then - "TRUST NO ONE", but only can you get there if you JOIN an ALLIANCE...

... right off the bat this came to mind, list you can think of some... enjoy.



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2. Aesthetics are 100% subjective.
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are serious business sir.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#27 - 2011-10-12 11:53:18 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
BIggest contradiction: The whiners complaining that ccp needs to not concentrate on WiS and get on with FiS, then when ccp do exactly that they start whining about ccp changing direction back to FiS...
How is it contradictory that some people say one thing and others say something else?
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#28 - 2011-10-12 12:00:50 UTC
hybrids are good.

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Hicksimus
Torgue
#29 - 2011-10-12 12:18:46 UTC
IQ 001 wrote:
Ship sizes




My Drake is 26m longer than my Hyperion but my Hyperion is 4x longer than my Drake. I suspect many people measure their penis the same way.

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Deopheel Dalonne
Eridu Productions
#30 - 2011-10-12 12:34:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Deopheel Dalonne
Aurelius Valentius wrote:
Greetings,

I was listening to the Voices Podcast and doing some mining (Player v. Rock) and something along the lines of the cast got me thinking about why EVE seems to have some major contradicions that really do shoot it in the foot, and I am sure there are others with some, so for CCP (since there is this new openess with CCCP, er... CCP about communications) it may help to clear of the things that some players are all about with here.

Mine:

1. "TRUST NO ONE IN EVE" - then - "JOIN A CORP or the game sucks basically, and it does, I know I have been solo for 2yrs, but I am odd that way, I like suckage apparently.

2. "We want new players" - then - Rookie ships and starting frigates and cruisers really do look like the crappiest ship in the game.

3. "YOU MUST GO TO NULL TO GET RICH" - then - "TRUST NO ONE", but only can you get there if you JOIN an ALLIANCE...

... right off the bat this came to mind, list you can think of some... enjoy.


Agreed. Same idea as here.
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2011-10-12 12:38:04 UTC
I trust the people in my corp.

I love some of the frigate and cruiser models. This point more than anything is subjective, and kills any argument you might have had.

Null money sucks unless you own a tech moon, or have a dozen bot accounts. WH is where the money is good. Good for wannabe-pirate tears too.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#32 - 2011-10-12 12:43:35 UTC
The whiners who complain about and hate miners as the scum of the universe, yet like to buy and use all the items/ships/modules that exist in EVE and are created by us. They will point to the QEN and wail about how PVE is the biggest source of ISK to the economy, and I have yet to see one player that can show me a ship manufactured from pure ISK, or a POS that accepts ISK as fuel.
Keno Skir
#33 - 2011-10-12 13:56:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Keno Skir
Thorn Galen wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Thorn Galen wrote:
My point of view though is that I have nothing to offer a big Corp at this point in time, until I have a decent skillset.

The only person who has nothing to offer is a person who is not willing to offer anything.


Glib, very easy to say that and try feel smug about it. Got anything intelligent to contribute or are you always this moribund ?
I's like saying "this tomato is red, therefore it is not an orange" - Using your semantic logic.


At least he had a point of view which was directly pertinent to the topic at hand, your comparison of logic is flawed.

One contradiction off the top of my head is how piles and piles of new players start their careers thinking mining is the best option for making their first paycheck, but comparatively few day 1-3 players rock a cheapo salvage fit dispite the huge profit potential for early salvagers compared to early miners. Although this is likely just the difference between a new player who meets an experienced guide and one who strikes out solo too intimidated to ask for advice.

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Pyx Jasta
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2011-10-12 13:58:14 UTC
Aurelius Valentius wrote:

Mine:

1. "TRUST NO ONE IN EVE" - then - "JOIN A CORP or the game sucks basically, and it does, I know I have been solo for 2yrs, but I am odd that way, I like suckage apparently.


One doesn't necessarily negate two. Eventually there are people you will likely trust, but blind trust is foolish.



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2. "We want new players" - then - Rookie ships and starting frigates and cruisers really do look like the crappiest ship in the game.


Personally I disagree, there are some mid-tier and even higher tier ships that look terrible and definitely worse than the rookie ships. From a personal aesthetic, there are a couple of races who's ships just look bad to me.


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3. "YOU MUST GO TO NULL TO GET RICH" - then - "TRUST NO ONE", but only can you get there if you JOIN an ALLIANCE...

... right off the bat this came to mind, list you can think of some... enjoy.



See #1.

Only contradiction that springs to mind is. This is a game, games are supposed to fun. Eve has mining.

game=fun<>mining.
Mr LaboratoryRat
Confederation of DuckTape Lovers
#35 - 2011-10-12 13:58:22 UTC
"Gallente ships are missile boats"


*Trick contradiction though, lachesis
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#36 - 2011-10-12 14:00:16 UTC
@Keno Skir : Perhaps you missed my apology to him in an earlier post.

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Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2011-10-12 14:23:04 UTC
Significant sovereignty and system "upgrade" fees in outlaw / null-sec space.

The only rational explanation is that CCP needed another ISK sink in-game.

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Serial Chi
White Knights of Equestria
#38 - 2011-10-12 15:14:09 UTC
risk vs reward. the bigger the risk, the bigger the reward. theres tons of rewards with NO risk.
Garbad theWeak
#39 - 2011-10-12 15:46:49 UTC
Its a game about spaceships, yet CCP wants you to buy pants.
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#40 - 2011-10-12 17:16:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Kengutsi Akira
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Thorn Galen wrote:

Null sec to get rich, yet you could swear that highsec is richest by the way some comments in these forums are made. You should never, ever send a newbie into Nullsec.

I disagree entirely.

Our alliance very frequently sees brand new players, less than a week old, become billionaires as a result of donations from other members, the preponderance of alliance subsidized programs catering to newbies, and the wealth of opportunities that anyone with the right information can exploit. Access to a group of friends, a wealth of data that documents much more about the game than the game itself does, and mentoring towards effectively doing whatever it is they want to do is how you make newbies feel welcome, keep them interested in the game, and see to their success.

You get those things from a player corporation, not from going it alone. I mean, by all means, if you want you can certainly mine Veldspar or run Level 1 missions in high-security space for a few hours to finance your first Cruiser, then continue to slowly grind your way up from the bottom as you beat your head against a wall trying to figure things out for yourself; or, you can pod jump out to nullsec (or wherever your particular alliance or corporation lives) and enjoy the multiplayer experience. I wish that I had been in Goonfleet from day one, when I first picked up this game, instead of floating around, lost and confused, in a Merlin wondering why I kept dying during any mission against Sansha's Nation or the Blood Raiders. The truth is that a brand new player, with an established corporation or alliance to guide him, can make more ISK and have more fun in a week than a clueless idiot bumbling his way blindly through high-security space can make by himself in a year.


Yeah cause you totally recruit people as more than targets to gank from this game right?
oh yeah you dont

Pyx Jasta wrote:
Aurelius Valentius wrote:

Mine:

1. "TRUST NO ONE IN EVE" - then - "JOIN A CORP or the game sucks basically, and it does, I know I have been solo for 2yrs, but I am odd that way, I like suckage apparently.


One doesn't necessarily negate two. Eventually there are people you will likely trust, but blind trust is foolish.

Only contradiction that springs to mind is. This is a game, games are supposed to fun. Eve has mining.

game=fun<>mining.


Um there ARE people that find mining fun
O.O *gasp*

I know its hard to understand that some ppl like the things you hate in the game but there are other people out there with -
other game styles

I know that must shock you...

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
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