EVE General Discussion

Last post i said i'd yet to see any decent, logical reasons why low-sec peeps would resist a change that results in more people entering low-sec, and re-reading all of these repetitive posts hasn't revealed anything new.

The argument that it would kill low-sec roaming gang fights is silly. Are you saying that they wouldn't bother anymore? Like, whats the point guys, we actually have to go and look for our targets now, CCP have RUINED EVERYTHING! unsub, unsub, unsub....

Some people suggesting that it would make gate-camps even worse! If thats the case..... why are you complaining? Time to start buying carriers!

People suggesting that it would kill their ability to make ISK in low-sec. Again, more players entering low-sec = more explosions = more ISK.

Improving gate guns, as well as imo improving low-sec resources, will result in people moving from high to low. Literally a win win. The ONLY difference is that you wont be able to immediately face-**** them the moment they get a foot in the door. You'll have to actually look for targets.

Seems we have an interesting mix of opinions, people like myself that have always been for changes that improve eve as a whole. Then there's the low-sec players looking to protect their niche. Finally a few people that know pvp, and have the opinion of "adapt or die". They know the targets will still be there, and already know how to find them, and find them fast!

Feel free to say things like "you don't know what your talking about", and "you've obviously never fought around gate-guns" and all those other things being said in this thread. You'd be wrong.

I've yet to see a decent, logical reason as to why these changes will result in an increase in people visiting lowsec. I know you're whining about repetitiveness, but you don't seem to get it:
1) These changes are a BUFF to people who sit and gank 'easy targets' on gates, as it allows interceptors to get fast tackle and stick around for a few seconds - are more people going to rush into lowsec knowing that it's MORE of a ganker paradise?
2) Even if it weren't a buff to easy target ganks, what extra motivation do people have to go to lowsec, bearing in mind that anything they do there is just as risky as it was before? The bloody entrance gate is not what keeps the bears out of lowsec, it's the lack of incentive mixed with the general level of risk doing missions, sitting at a belt, etc.



Again, it's been clearly explained why this would be bad for roaming gang fights. Roaming gangs encounter each other when they cross each other on - you guessed it, gates! - they don't randomly encounter each other in asteroid belts. I don't know how I can make this any simpler for you.

I was going to reply to the rest of your post but I cant be bothered because you're dumb. Dont worry hisec bear, you'll be fine.

So you don't really know for sure, but you can guess. OK., that would be conjecture then.

Which is about set mechanics, not actual player related actions.

Which doesn't really tell us anything now, does it? Also water is wet, that's also good to know.

Again you can guess it will, but that is also conjecture.

Well you can guess a lot and claim to have knowledge in a subject, if you really want. But that wouldn't be silliness, would it?

That worked out well for you and it's good to see your vast knowledge at work.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=42987&find=unread

edit: changed name to jack dant and "null sec" to "low sec."

Thank you :)

Oh - Jack Dant, not Jack Dent - wondered why my search-fu wasn't strong!

these proposed changes are godawful the RnK post earlier sums it up nicely. If these changes go in there will be less fights in lowsec AND all the ships that can currently move about unmolested frigs-cloaky haulers etc will be getting slaughtered by interceptors and alpha fleets awful awful changes I can't believe CCP Greyscale would think these changes are a good idea he must have never lived in lowsec

And yes, im madbro I shall suck it up like a lowsec pubbie, but you'll never get me going to 0.0 to join your blobwarfare id rather put 15 rabid ferrets down my pants after id rubbed pate all over my crotch

Id also point out gatecamping takes some balls, as its a big sign saying comeat me bro which is why we never do it and kill anyone we see gatecamping. If you see a gatecamp and you dont like it KILLITWITHFIRE

why are all these threads the same,,,and all utterly stale.

…too bad it's nonsense. None of what he posted is a problem and none of it would be fixed with this change even if it were.

…that removing the ability to go past camps using small and fast ships and removing the ability to break camps by brining a fleet is not a good way of “improving” lowsec.

Hmm… I think you might be posting in the wrong thread. This thread is about the proposed sentry gun changes that will make lowsec gate campers' lives much easier in every way, and ensure that fewer people than ever from highsec can take excursions into lowsec, which in turn would cause further stagnation of fringe systems.

What i don't get is why ccp greyscale is trying to get carebears into lowsec?

Carebears will never do anything in local when there are neutrals present anyways, it takes a certain kind of player to say "you know what? im going to bear anyways if they come gank me BRINGIT"

What greyscale should be doing is look at the players who live in lowsec and say "what do these guys do all day, and what could be changed to make more of these kinds of people come here and live in lowsec, what are the problems living here and what sucks here"

For instance, if your a newbie pirate, how do you get replacement ships? You can't enter highsec to pick them up so you either have to hire a courier corp like the froggies to get your ships or you have to train an alt to fly a freighter or orca to fly the ship to you and as an orca can only take a bc you'll probably need a freighter which costs 1.2bill atm which is a big ask for a newbie. (HINT: need ship carrying ship for resupply)

The old way of getting new bc's was to do drone missions or drone anomalies and refine the drone goo for minerals to make your own hulls believe it or not i used to make good iskies selling canes to my alliance ;)

Next, how do you make iskies? In lowsec you can rat, do missions, anomalies, sigs mining, wh's and take peoples mods from their wrecks

Missions are the main source of income and make more than highsec as you have more lp rewards. Ratting is pretty meh in lowsec and belt mining aint that great as the mins are not much better than highsec - although if you do find a mining site it can be quite good. Anomalies and sigs are a good source of income although at the current respawn rates they only really provide enough for 4-5 guys in an area so if your in a pirate corp alliance that lives in a lowsec area you probably wont have enough sigs to live off. Wh's do make good iskies if your setup to go raid them as a group and the people living in them are nice loot pinatas. Killing people and looting the wrecks does ofc make a lot of iskies too ;)