EVE General Discussion

And that it the big misconception all gankers have... as an example: I was gone from the game for quite some time (years) and didn't hear much about Burn Jita, Hulkageddon, Goonswarm, etc. Back then, when I played regulary, mining highsec (my choosen profession) was relatively save... aside from the odd rats and stuff.

You can imagine my surpize when I resubbed and found that no longer true. Yes, you may argue now that that's my problem... the game has changed and I have to adapt or go... well, not as simple. See, the game hasn't changed, much (the change is only coming now, gradually) the players have... and I am allowed to have a problem with that... no?

…and? How does that represent misconception on the gankers' part? What are they mistaken about?

It is as true as it ever was.

You're allowed to realise that you have a problem and adapt to make the problem go away, yes (or, for that matter, to not adapt and keep having the problem, if you're the kind who enjoys that). So what?

No, it really isn't. It's just a different way of implementing the defining characteristic of highsec: that aggression comes at a cost. That's all highsec is — a place where you have to pay to attack another player. You can pay in ISK or in assets, but as long as you pay the price, you're entirely free to do it. If the target is kind enough to sponsor your attack with enough loot to make it worth the cost, then all the better.

It's entirely intended to happen — even on a regular basis and for profit — or it would simply not be possible to begin with.

Sure they did. Largely because it was happening from day 1, and instead of just removing the ability outright at some point in the last decade (which would have saved them a heap of work), they ensured that it is, to this day, still a viable tactic.

Suicide ganking is explicitly and intentionally put into the game to ensure that you can always blow people up, no matter what, and to ensure that you are always at risk when undocked. Capships are prohibited in highsec partly because they would provide too much safety against such attacks. If someone chooses to make a gank profitable by fitting or carrying more stuff than the hull can support, then that's their choice and their problem, and not something the game particularly needs to compensate for…

All they did was implement an alternative payment scheme for attacking people.

Yet if you read the CSM minuits iirc CCP soundswave said ganking was never intended to be profitable....

"never intended" to be profitable?

is that why stuff drops when your ship gets killed? because ganking shouldn't be profitable?

It's only one-sided and cheap because the targets choose to make it so.

"why does it only take one catalyst to gank my untanked expanded badger containing my life's worth eve is so unfair!!!"

No. It's supposed to be whatever the involved parties make of it.

If one party ensures that the other will get a good return on their investment, then that other party will probably get their combat rather cheaply. That is their choice, though, and not something the game creates. As for being one-sided, that's just how any smart aggressor will try to set up the confrontation, since doing something else is likely to make the costs shoot up more than they need to for no good reason.

EVE's PvP combat is exactly as one sided and cheap as the participants make it.

If White is playing Chess to win, and Black is playing to make a pretty pattern on the chessboard, is it any surprise that White wins effortlessly?

Ganking people is only one sided because they don't bother to try to counter it, even though there are at least a score of ways to do so.