EVE General Discussion

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nobody's complaining about the game being "dumbed down"

people are unhappy, however, about hisec slowly being turned into a consensual PvP-only "safe area"

and? if u want pvp, invade other regions, keep ur damn noses out of high sec

stop trying to force high sec players to pvp non stop when they have no interest in it

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stop giving this crap *ccp are making HIGH SECUIRTY SPACE SAFE crap*

I don't mind a safer hisec.

But I hate the people it attracts.

What was this thread about?

if you don't want to PvP, take active measures to avoid it rather than feeling entitled to absolute safety

Why should they when highsec is a pvp region too?

If they have no interest in it, they shouldn't undock.

The "Game is being dumbed down" mantra is completly bogus, the game is more complex today than it has ever been by a very wide margin, I think people have short memories.

CCP once had a vision of what this game "should be like" and while they have failed in several departments like "risk vs. reward" for example, one part of the vision that they have maintained is that there should be room for all types of playstyles in the game which includes high sec non-pvp carebears.

One other vision or mantra of CCP has been that "there is no place in Eve that's safe", however that said, the vision didn't include a high sec that is as dangerous as low sec or null sec, which today with the way suicide ganking is being used, is the case. Right now its a select group (play style) that is under attack (mining) but in as a whole if your a developer trynig to create your vision and the rules of the game you have created have allowed for loop holes in that vision you fix it.

Hence the fixes are an attempt to make High Sec "more" safe than it is today for a certain type of playstyle, in direct response to how the players have altered the reality of the game through their actions.

Another words, High Sec is not supposed to be safe, but it was never CCP's intention to allow it to be a completly unsafe ganking zone. They warned suicide gankers that if they continued to push the envelope the response would be a nerf. It message was defied, the patch is on its way.

The morale of the story is that all playstyles are legitimate, but one play style doesn't get to spoil another.

If thats ruining Eve as far as you are concerned, so be it, but with this patch and probobly more patches in this line, High Sec will be a safer place and they will continue to patch it until it is.

Thats the reality, love it or hate it.

…except that everything in the game is PvP, and highsec is not — and isn't intended to be — some magic area where that simple and universal rule doesn't apply.

Real PvPers PvP in accordance with the rules of the space they're in. If the opposing party feels that this puts them at a disadvantage, then they're generally very quick to denounce the other side as “not real PvPers”. This is a well-known fallacy…

Why not? It's true after all. Industry, market, w-space, moon mining — it's all PvP and it's all there to feed other forms of PvP in a never-ending circle of PvP.

lmao that's not an "active measure"

an active measure is using a scout, a ship more suitable than a goddamn badger to haul 10b in cargo and not autopiloting like an idiot

and yes, if some idiot is flying a badger with 10b in cargo, he should be robbed blind with his cargo flown by a smarter, more competent person to jita for sale

Its not really a magic area, but rather an area intended to be safer for the direct benefit of ensuring an economy exists to feed the rest of the games primary activity which is PvP. If High Sec wasn't safer PvP would be literly impossible anywhere because in part the largest population of Eve (the majority) are people livining in High Sec avoiding PvP participating in creating the economy that makes PvP everywhere else possible.

High Sec is part of the entity that makes the whole thing work, without it, Eve would look like Darkfall does today. A full loot, full PvP game with territory control that no one plays.