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Skill rollback!
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FireT
Venom Pointe Industries
#21 - 2012-08-02 14:51:46 UTC
CorInaXeraL wrote:
FireT wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Learn to live with the choices you made.


If only life would allow for role back. How many ex boyfriends / girlfriends would be removed from memory. Lol


Or time spent reading horrible threads.


That too.
Welfare Scrub
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-08-02 20:03:51 UTC
RavenPaine wrote:
People who have more money in real life would have an advantage. The idea of skilling in eve now, is that you evolve and learn from your mistakes, exactly like everyone else did. You cannot 'buy' your way to perfection.

Some people would quit the game over this, so CCP might make less money.


These comments are exceedingly ignorant.

You do realize that you can 'buy' your way to perfection with RL$ via the character bazaar?
CorInaXeraL
The Dresdeneers
#23 - 2012-08-02 20:21:09 UTC
Welfare Scrub wrote:
RavenPaine wrote:
People who have more money in real life would have an advantage. The idea of skilling in eve now, is that you evolve and learn from your mistakes, exactly like everyone else did. You cannot 'buy' your way to perfection.

Some people would quit the game over this, so CCP might make less money.


These comments are exceedingly ignorant.

You do realize that you can 'buy' your way to perfection with RL$ via the character bazaar?


Ah, you mean purchase enough plex from the bazaar to sell in-game to make enough ISK to then turn around and purchase a character?

That is still an 'old' character, one that's followed all of the rules to date to get to where it is at. Besides, the average selling-price for an 'aged' PVP toon, lets say in the 60-80m SP range, is going for...what, 20b? 30b? In plex, that's about 40-60. The going-price for PLEX via EVE AUTHORIZED transactions is about $20.00 US each.

You know what? If you want to spend $1,200usd just to get a leg up...have at it.

But even then, a 'new' skilled character is not immediately introduced into the game. With this 'rollback' system being funded by PLEX for real-money, powerhouse characters would be literally dumped into the market, saturating it and rendering older characters all but obsolete unless someone were gunning for a highly specialized character. And even then...

Spend time on core skills, then a month on ship/weapon specific and rollback as desired? Still way too OP and way too favoring of the 'privileged few'.

The current 'buy it on the bazaar' system at least doesn't duplicate or increase the characters available at that particular skill level.
Annunaki soldier
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-08-04 15:45:45 UTC
CorInaXeraL wrote:
Welfare Scrub wrote:
RavenPaine wrote:
People who have more money in real life would have an advantage. The idea of skilling in eve now, is that you evolve and learn from your mistakes, exactly like everyone else did. You cannot 'buy' your way to perfection.

Some people would quit the game over this, so CCP might make less money.


These comments are exceedingly ignorant.

You do realize that you can 'buy' your way to perfection with RL$ via the character bazaar?


Ah, you mean purchase enough plex from the bazaar to sell in-game to make enough ISK to then turn around and purchase a character?

That is still an 'old' character, one that's followed all of the rules to date to get to where it is at. Besides, the average selling-price for an 'aged' PVP toon, lets say in the 60-80m SP range, is going for...what, 20b? 30b? In plex, that's about 40-60. The going-price for PLEX via EVE AUTHORIZED transactions is about $20.00 US each.

You know what? If you want to spend $1,200usd just to get a leg up...have at it.

But even then, a 'new' skilled character is not immediately introduced into the game. With this 'rollback' system being funded by PLEX for real-money, powerhouse characters would be literally dumped into the market, saturating it and rendering older characters all but obsolete unless someone were gunning for a highly specialized character. And even then...

Spend time on core skills, then a month on ship/weapon specific and rollback as desired? Still way too OP and way too favoring of the 'privileged few'.

The current 'buy it on the bazaar' system at least doesn't duplicate or increase the characters available at that particular skill level.


No it wont. Old chars might get a boost at the price because you can have more sp to 'play' with. Dont get me wrong but i see some people are just 'jelous' over some that would be able to do it. But still that is how life is. I would prefer to have an option to reset and fix some mistakes i made even if i had to bust my @@ to gather the plex for that action. If someone has the money to buy those plex, i wouldnt get neither angry not state it aint fair cause i have to work for them. It how life is'.

Ride hard, live with passion 
Radius Prime
Tax Evading Ass.
#25 - 2012-08-05 19:57:53 UTC
Why not just train right from the start? With all the elite old skool players yapping about what works and what not it's really not that hard for a newb like me to figure out what to train for my chosen profession. Do your research. If you are even too lazy to do that I don't think you belong in eve.

Reopen the EVE gate so we can invade Serenity. Goons can go first.
Shoogie
Serious Pixels
#26 - 2012-08-06 05:22:12 UTC
Sam Seama wrote:
I was thinking the other day (what, thinking? are you still alive?) at the idea that I might waste 30 days on training for a ship that I might end up not liking. An a got an idea, what if for a fee, let's say a PLEX, you can roll back 30 days worth of skill, so I pay a PLEX and unlearn all the skills in the last 30 days, but I get the skill-points to spend on other shills. Example: I train for a hound and I don't like it, not my style to stay stealthy and do nothing, now I just wastwd time getting into something I end up not liking, so I rollback skills and get T2 guns on a tornado for example and I like the better dps on my tornado than the stealthy advantage of a hound. Think about it, people have more reasons to buy more PLEX thus you, the CCP ends up making more money.


Many people here are shooting down the idea of moving SPs. While I agree with that, I specifically want to discuss the main concern from the OP. What if you train for a ship, and then figure out that you don't like flying that ship?

CCP did a very good job of intertwining all the skills so that it is very difficult to train a useless skill, especially early in your career.

I started a skillplan to fly the Hound on a blank character. Here are the skills which take longer than 1 day to finish:
* Minmatar Frigate 4, Minmatar Frigate 5. If you are thinking for training for a Hound, I assume you already fly a Rifter. The Minmatar Frigate skill benefits the Rifter and all the other Tech 1 Minmatar frigates. Level 5 is also required for the whole set of Minmatar Tech 2 frigates: Cheetah, Claw, Hound, Hyena, Jaguar, Stiletto, and the Wolf. (Also the Sabre until they change it.) So even if you find you don't like the Hound, the skill training won't be wasted if you decide you do like any of the other ships.
* Electronics Upgrades 4, Electronics Upgrades 5. Electronics Upgrades 4 is required for the Coprocessor 2 module. You want to be able to fit that. Electronics Upgrades 5 is the prerequisite for the Covert Ops skill. The Covert Ops skill is not only good for the stealth bombers, but also for the scanning frigates. You will want one of those if you ever play in wormholes. They are also good for finding players trying to hide in safespots and exploration sites. The Covert Ops skill also leads to the Recon skill. So if you ever fly the Huginn, Rapier, Arazu, Lachesis, Falcon, Rook, Curse, or Pilgrim then the Electronics Upgrades 5 skill will give you a head start for that training.
* Missile Bombardment 4. This is a prerequisite for Bomb Deployment. If you are not flying in 0.0 or in wormholes, then don't bother training for bombs yet. Try flying a torpedo fit first, and you will know when you want to add bombs. Missile Bombardment is also one of the missile support skills, so it will help you on any ship to which you ever mount a missile launcher.
* Torpedoes. Don't wait until you have this skill trained up high to get into the Hound for the first time. Yes, the skill will improve your damage, but you can get a feel for the ship without spending too many SPs here. If you do train torpedoes up and later discover you do not like stealth bombers, there are a few other ships which use torpedoes: Typhoon, Raven... well like I said, don't put too many SPs in this skill before trying out the bomber.

So you see, the skill rollback idea is not even needed. Any skill you train will almost certainly be useful in the future, even if you end up using it for different ships than the original plan.
Relient Tolemus
Lazy Town
#27 - 2012-08-06 14:26:36 UTC
If you really need this, it just shows that you didn't research the ship before you committed to it. Go on the forums, find out about the ship in question, and if it seems like something you would like then get it. This seems more like a "I trained for a ship cuz it looks cool and now I hate it" thread.

It's also important to remember that this is a signature.
CorInaXeraL
The Dresdeneers
#28 - 2012-08-06 14:56:19 UTC
Or...do what I did. Well on my way to flying ALL ships T2-fitted. With that, I don't have to worry about anything needing a rollback... Jump in and go! Nyeeerrrrooom.
Obsidiana
Atrament Inc.
#29 - 2012-08-06 20:53:57 UTC
Have you ever tried out the test server? You can log in, train something else, get it cheap, and try it out. You can even get extra SP to allocate if you participate in mass testing.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#30 - 2012-08-07 04:04:38 UTC
The only sort of skill rollback that should exist should be allowing people to redo their skills at the end of the 2 week trial period.
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#31 - 2012-08-07 08:05:43 UTC
Or, you know, let people just erase their skills if they really want and don't give them any SP in return.

I think a lot of people would be down for that just to make their skill sheets all pretty, and I wouldn't object, for sure.
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