EVE General Discussion

I read a post earlier about some 3 year player binning his character because he was suicide ganked and then lost his Golem (LOL) to Concord because he "shot a Noctis" (i.e. he was an idiot and made a huge mistake).

I'm an 8 year+ player (I've lost count to be frank) and I've had at least two accounts subbed at a minimum for the entire 8+ years. This month will be the first time in 8 years that I have no characters in training.

Why? CCP has continued and will continue to make Eve less lethal. CCP continually makes Eve a safer place, easier to survive, with fewer opportunities to die horribly as a result of your mistakes. Essentially, they've dumbed down the game, and continue to do so.

When I was a new player, Eve was incredibly lethal. Jump into a .4, get your face blown off. Rinse, repeat. Your life span was usually dictated by how long you could hold your cloak at a gate. This part of the game was what kept me coming back for more. Extreme risk, extreme danger, extreme loss if you make a mistake.

Eve PVP is now garbage. It's not that the balance is that bad, or the mechanics are terrible. That part of the game is just fine. It's the inability to have non-concentual PVP. 99% of the time, if you get a fight it's because either A) the other side wanted to fight, or B) the other side made such a huge mistake that they ignored all signs of danger for 10+ minutes while you 'snuck up on them' in broad daylight, broadcasting your presence in local. Anyway, I digress.

With every change, CCP has removed risk, weighted the balance towards the defender and generally pampered those players who otherwise would have been murdered like sleeping baby seals.

Maybe one day the game will turn the corner and CCP will start making it more lethal again. I seriously doubt it, but it might happen. Until then, it's looking less and less likely that I'll find it worthwhile to log back in. It's sad really. CCP has finally managed to pummel my fanatical enthusiasm for the game into mush. I've been transformed from Eve evangelist to apathetic apologist. And the worst part is, all the other aspects of Eve have never been better: graphics, new ship models, missile trails, interface updates, market improvements, industry, invention, etc. etc. etc.

But that's not what Eve is about. Eve is about PVP. And until CCP fixes that, it's not worth subbing. Such a waste.


***EDIT***

Some addendum:

This post isn't about gate guns, or high sec or low sec or whatever. The players focusing on issues such as these are behaving like a person running at speed and looking straight down at their toes. The focus should be at the horizon, not at the base of your feet. Think bigger. Think more fundamentally about how the game is constructed and how it's (so poorly) organized for PVP and how fundamental changes in gameplay can radically improve the game over the long run. CCP keeps placating you with tiny improvements and distracting you with changes designed to generate controversy and discord.

So no, this isn't a "Goons ruined Eve" thread. It's not a whine thread. I'm just voting with my wallet. The only thing CCP understands.

I know that feel, bro. We'll keep doing the work and hopefully some day the conditions will be right for the good people to come back.

Let us know if you find something better.

Yeah, take a break, learn the banjo, whateva.

Just don't biomass your SP like that other fool.

My handy random number generator predicts that there is a 1% chance that the ruthless EVE we knew and loved will return some day.

Got to do it... Can i haz ur stuffz


Edit: it is a very fair point

Fair point..

Posting in Goons ruined Eve thread.

Confirming this. I was one of the fools that biomassed but stumbled onto a kind GM to restore me a year later (had to change name slightly).

I think I know who the op is or who his character was from one encounter long ago. Rudely interrupted while killing a freighter in low sec from orvolle?

Sad to see real worthy players like yourself go. And lol at that guy lecturing the OP about eve

Yeah.

Why soon enough, it'll all be about bubbles when the lowsec gates are finally made too "hot" for camping. Hehe.

Not in a specific sense, but in a general sense. Basically, the mindset that proliferates ideas like this, not the specific idea itself.

But, on the subject of the sentry change: if the CCP devs ever tried to fight 7+ people on a gate while solo and enduring gate guns the entire time, they would never have considered this change an option.

So this is more about the fact that gate squatters can no longer do it with impunity, right? Cause the gate guns will be more lehtal, not less.

But whatever, leave. More for the rest of us.