EVE General Discussion

Good for you! I must admit it took being stuck without internet for over 2 weeks to get me to this same point, but I totally get where you're coming from. I started working out, and after two weeks, when it came to working out (and feeling better, stronger, clearer) and playing EVE, I end up choosing the workout every time. I'm forum warrioring right now between sets!

And pixels were always worthless. Which is why I always smirk when people say things like "death penalty" in a game. Please. What penalty? It's all virtual, you freakshow! It's just pixels. A game is supposed to be fun and entertaining, not a grind for ISK or worry about losing a digital ship you never really had to begin with.

Eve is one of the only games I have ever played that literally caters to all kinds of lifestyles and playing styles. (Young people, middle aged people with kids, older people etc.) I fully agree with this post because you will start asking these questions when you realize that you have bought everything and done everything. The one thing that is always new and fresh is playing with other people and blowing each other up.

The little things like something stupid you did or said while on comms, and the accidental fleet warp right on top of other people are what keep you coming back. It is a game after all, and one that you should be having fun playing. If not, it is time for you to move on... One last note though - Even when you recycle your character, they can bring it back. So if you reconsider, EVE will be here....

Herr Wilkis, driving people out of the game is not a particularly noble cause. How many carebears have you taken under your wing and exposed to the joys of frigate roams in lowsec? How many new players have you helped learn the ropes and find something to do besides mining and mission running?

Destruction is easier than creation: perhaps you need to think about that for a while.

While I support your complaints about the nerfing of suicide ganking in hisec, I don't support your goal of driving people put of the game. To me, hisec is the game reserve: a place where PvP averse players can gain some confidence in the game before venturing put into Faction Warfare, RvB or nullsec sov wars. Driving carebears out of the game depletes the number of potential PvPers: I am convinced that given enough support even the most risk-averse player will engage in PvP: we just need to educate people that ship loss in PvP is a known cost, not a risk, and that cost can be controlled.

Floppie The Banjo Clown has a point here, but both of you need to tap your inner carebear and look outside your external communities. Be more social with people who aren't already in your circle. Look for ways to lure carebears into the PvP lifestyle. Show people that PvP is no more demanding of time than mining or 0.01 ISK market games.

I have been directing new players to EVE Uni. I have heard rumors that Agony has restarted PvP schools. There is plenty of scope here to direct even mildly curious carebears towards the more fulfilling side of the game.

Before you can watch the world burn, there has to be something to ignite.

There is no reason to place content in a game that isn't designed to be enjoyed on some level. We've already seen examples of PvE that encourage group play so the argument that PvE would lead to solo play we know is only true if it's designed that way.

But more of interest to me is the idea that group play need revolve around PvP. Why is this? Is there nothing in this game for those that aren't enticed by PvP?

^^This.^^

In a manner of speaking, EVE is indeed Real(TM).

Exploration, mining and missions are PvE content. Of those, missions involve the lest PvP. PvP doesn't always involve shooting people. Sometime PvP is simply getting to the exploration site first, or clearing it out before the other capsuleer does.

There is PvE content, but only in the context of a game that is based on always-on PvP.

None of that answers the question of why the content can't be more developed and stand on it's own for those interested in it. I've raced others for overseer loot and radar cans. I'm fully aware of the PvP aspects involved, but that isn't why I do it. For me PvP isn't the point of it, just the inevitable result on both direct and indirect levels.

Doom-heim, Doom-heim, Doom-heim!

Say hello to EMO TJ for me.

This is a really interesting post to read just as I am coming back into EVE.

I've played this game, on and off, for about two years with different types of pilots. I have emo-sigh-quit at least twice in frustration. But I haven't biomassed my toon and haven't thrown away my copies of EVEonline magazine. Now I'm glad I didn't.

EVE has been, by far, the game that I most loved and hated all at the same time.

I love the sandbox, that rare but intense rush of combat that no game can equal, and most of all, the community, both good and bad.

I really hate the fact that I'm terrible at the mechanics, especially PVP. I also hate the PVE, which really is poor. But I realize that an MMO must choose what it will be: a PVE game or a PVP game. That's why most standard MMO's which are really good at PVE, are terrible at PVP, and vice-versa.

No other game comes even close to what EVE can offer. Everything other MMO is just a visit to the local new theme park, which becomes old after only a few visits. I want to belong to something more than a solo-RPG that pretends to be an MMO. I want to be part of a galaxy of never-ending change and maybe being a part of that.

I want to find a good low-pressure corp that can teach me PVP to which I can give my time {what limited that is} and loyalty.

I'm glad that EVE online is still around, after what nine years? Good to see.

So now I'm coming back to EVE. What I'm looking for, I don't know if I'll find. But I know that no other game has it.

you should get into the game politics, that's what keeps things interesting

there is no game where the mechanics alone keeps one playing it for 8 years.......