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CCP you lost allready much of faith and trust in you
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Andre Jean Sarpantis
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-08-06 20:40:36 UTC
So as like the title says, alot of Faith and trust allredy got lost for you CCP, by the miners big time.

CCP devs brougth up promises there wont no longer be a possibility a Miningship could get blown up by sneezing bywanderers, brougth the first changes to test out on Sisi and the Big Waaahh waaahhh Whining started coming from Gankers they couldn't longer gank a Mining ship with a LOLnoobship worth 2 - 3 Millions, and they needed to adapt and bring up more firepower and so on and fort.....

So what did you do CCP, again you listened to the most vocal loudest screaming whinning folks especially the biggest whiner Herr Wilkus and his friends and nerfed down more and more the changes to a level as they are now.

ANd there we are......the changes you promised where come, and after todays finalized patch on Sisi, the Changes ( Defensibility wise ) are drained down the Watercloset and on a level the changes are not longer changes in Favor for the allready hardly hitted Miners its technically a nerf.

I'm applauding to you CCP slapping again the weakest rigth in their faces and let the easy ganking continue.

Allready some friends of mine which are Miners told me they are in verge after this change comes up they're going to unsub, so CCP expect another huge loss about Subscriptions incoming.

Sincerly

Andre Jean Sarpantis ( Roleplayed nephew from the Serpentis founder )
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-08-06 20:42:25 UTC
feel free to show the class that killmail of a hulk by a "lolnoobship"

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#3 - 2012-08-06 20:43:21 UTC
Uh, so you're saying the skiff/procurer can be blown up by people sneezing?

Or is this a (not particularly) stealth 'My Hulk isn't the best at absolutely everything' thread?

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Jim Era
#4 - 2012-08-06 20:44:26 UTC
posting in a stealth eve is dying thread

Wat™
Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#5 - 2012-08-06 20:44:34 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
feel free to show the class that killmail of a hulk by a "lolnoobship"


as much as he is going over the top.. he does have a point. CCP promised to make them so they couldn't get ganked by a dessy or two.. and the first set of changes did that. then they nerfed the tanks back down into shite.

except for skiff/proc

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#6 - 2012-08-06 20:44:43 UTC
1/10 (pity point for the broken english).

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Andre Jean Sarpantis
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-08-06 20:45:20 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
feel free to show the class that killmail of a hulk by a "lolnoobship"



No need to show ya, since you allready know what i mean......anyways, the Catalysts getting called by lots of players as a LOLnoobship so you know P

Sincerly

Andre Jean Sarpantis ( Roleplayed nephew from the Serpentis founder )
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-08-06 20:45:29 UTC
Denidil wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
feel free to show the class that killmail of a hulk by a "lolnoobship"


as much as he is going over the top.. he does have a point. CCP promised to make them so they couldn't get ganked by a dessy or two.. and the first set of changes did that. then they nerfed the tanks back down into shite.


they'll be able to tank much better than they do now if you do something like, you know, "fit a tank"

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Andre Jean Sarpantis
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-08-06 20:47:06 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
1/10 (pity point for the broken english).



You're rigth i'm not native english spoken so forgive my bad grammar and spelling P

Sincerly

Andre Jean Sarpantis ( Roleplayed nephew from the Serpentis founder )
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#10 - 2012-08-06 20:47:25 UTC
Denidil wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
feel free to show the class that killmail of a hulk by a "lolnoobship"


as much as he is going over the top.. he does have a point. CCP promised to make them so they couldn't get ganked by a dessy or two.. and the first set of changes did that. then they nerfed the tanks back down into shite.

except for skiff/proc


No, they promised options.

Those options included a lower yield but very tanky skiff/procurer, and a great AFK variant with a huge cargo hold, in addition to the Hulk retaining it's highest yeild advantage.

Could you point out where that has changed?

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El Cid Campeador
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-08-06 20:48:00 UTC
Learn how to avoid suicide gankers, and all will be solved..... Dont need CCP to do it for you. I highly doubt that you and your friends will unsub... Even if you did, there is no "huge loss" coming
Jess Maine
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-08-06 20:48:02 UTC
Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
feel free to show the class that killmail of a hulk by a "lolnoobship"



No need to show ya, since you allready know what i mean......anyways, the Catalysts getting called by lots of players as a LOLnoobship so you know P

Sincerly

Andre Jean Sarpantis ( Roleplayed nephew from the Serpentis founder )


Much too obvious.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#13 - 2012-08-06 20:48:32 UTC
Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
1/10 (pity point for the broken english).



You're rigth i'm not native english spoken so forgive my bad grammar and spelling P

Sincerly

Andre Jean Sarpantis ( Roleplayed nephew from the Serpentis founder )

I understand the difficulties of trolling the forums in a non-native tongue... thus the point.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-08-06 20:51:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
want to know something funny?

those 100k ehp skiffs will die to 6-10 catalysts easy in 0.5

believe it or not you can't make it cost an arbitrary amount of ISK to gank something anywhere because DPS doesn't scale with cost linearly

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Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-08-06 20:55:53 UTC
I learned a thing the other day that might come in handy for you OP.


Deal with it.



That is all.

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#16 - 2012-08-06 20:58:14 UTC
Last time I tried ganking a Hulk in a catalyst that cost me less than 3 mil I did not even get past 80% shields. Clearly the guy must have been hacking according to your analysis.
Andre Jean Sarpantis
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-08-06 21:00:41 UTC
*eyerolls* WHatever, i stated my point, also those which are still thinking the extra HP's given to Hulk make them more able to tank are on the wrong way, cause its just some shoving back and forth from some HP's and adding a few extra HP's and those got negated with the lowering from the Ressistances.

But as said....i brougth up my point as not only me sees as a trust and faithbreaker again in CCP's promises.

Sincerly

Andre Jean Sarpantis ( Roleplayed nephew from the Serpentis founder )
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-08-06 21:00:57 UTC
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
Last time I tried ganking a Hulk in a catalyst that cost me less than 3 mil I did not even get past 80% shields. Clearly the guy must have been hacking according to your analysis.


scan before you gank, lest you flub

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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#19 - 2012-08-06 21:01:33 UTC
El Cid Campeador wrote:
Learn how to avoid suicide gankers, and all will be solved..... Dont need CCP to do it for you.


Yea, sure, but then again, why changing the barge/exhumer EHP at all, if it's the players business to avoid gankers?

Not that I agree with the OP, mind you, I still love the changes... but the balancing process to get where the SiSi patch now is, was kinda... odd.

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Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-08-06 21:08:04 UTC
OP :: do you have the before and after numbers? I'm on SiSi now and seems like my Mack yesterday had 10K more EHP, but I did not write it down as I thought yesterday's tankage was the final rev.

Real numbers please ? (If you have them.)

If what you say is true, then I wasted my money, because I bought 3 Macks expecting to get the tank that was on SiSi yesterday... Stupid me for not waiting until the changes made it onto TQ ... or for trusting CCP I suppose.
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