EVE General Discussion

Why do we need Faction Navy attacking outlaws? Serious question.

I'm hoping their removal is being considered for Crimewatch - placing security in the hands of the players, not automated scripts. Could have sworn I'd heard something about this mentioned, once - but its still vaporware at this point.
So far, most of it has been laughably bad, like Concord protected neutral RR and gate guns killing can flippers.

One thing I've never really understood is why it is necessary for NPC Navy to attack, when outlaws already have no protection from Concord....

A typical situation in highsec:

1. My -10 suicide ganker alt blows up a Hulk.
2. Miner gets mad, and hops in a Drake, and starts calling out the ganker.
3. Now...as much as I'd LOVE to deprive the angry miner of his failfit Drake....its not really possible to fight him because of Faction Navy interfering with the fight.

So, why is 'Concord's re-tarded half-brother' - the Navy needed?

-Concord already whacks you if you do anything aggressive, outlaw or not.
-ANY player is allowed to attack and pod you at any time....which means the fight will always be initiated by the 'good player'.
-The 'good player' can easily recruit more help...
-and last, currently the Faction Navy is completely incapable of stopping suicide ganks in highsec anyway.

Why is it necessary to make legit fights between pirates and high-sec 'vigilantes' mostly impossible?
Why do faction navy ships need to put their thumb on the scale?

Why NOT let -10 players 'move' through highsec, going about their business and/or trolling for fights with random players?

It creates no additional disadvantage for highsec players who wish to remain 'non-interactive' and it provides amble opportunities for budding 'vigilantes' to take a shot at PVP - without leaving the safety of highsec!
Its a risky endeavor for the outlaw, as they can move in highsec - but could easily be overwhelmed by high-sec players looking for a pirate killmail....

'Game lore arguments' and pointless real life comparisons need not apply.

If 'Crimewatch' is supposed to be about putting high-sec security into player hands - why not nerf the Navy?
Or is 'Crimewatch' merely going to be one more excuse to make highsec even safer, and further segregate the player base?

other than the fact this belongs in F&I ... I like it.

Because Herr, nobody likes you.

also, posting in a Wilkus thread.

Just trying to avoid idiots arguing about 'murderers walking down mainstreet'.

I'm trying to figure out if there is a good 'gameplay' related reason for dumping endless NPC cops on any outlaw that ventures into high-sec - when all it does is prevent fights.

High sec players that don't want to get involved won't.
High sec players that want to fight - get a chance without having to venture to lowsec. (and they could lose, but so what?)
High sec players that got ganked were going to get ganked anyway, as the NPCs don't prevent that.
Pirates get easier access to facilities in highsec (though they have that through alts anyway)
Pirates get to actively troll for some fights - rather than waiting passively on gates to curbstomp a victim 10-1?

Since Soundwave is so keen on breaking camps to encourage high sec players into low sec - why not bring some of the fights to highsec in a slightly more controlled setting? (Outlaws fighting highsec vigilantes - but the vigilantes choose when and where to engage....)

so you want the consequences provided by scripts rather than taking matters into your own hands and dishing the punishments out yourself

So, you want highsec removed and turned into blob war zone?

I agree, turn hs into null. then watch the gankers cry when they are the ganked.

-NR's are useless unless somebody starts a fight - and there is no requirement that a fight starts in the first place.

-Concord pirates and pod them. Oooooookay.

-Whatever rules I made were easily trumped by CCP's godlike power to give Mackinaws 50K EHP.

-Pirates AREN'T safe in highsec. Thats the point. They can be attacked by ANY player at any time - or by many players.
Even with the odds against them, I think most outlaws would welcome having a few fights with vigilantes - where they aren't webbed, scrammed and pounded into dirt by omniscient NPCs before a fight can even get started.....

After all, a high-sec 'vigilante' might not venture into low sec.....but they might attack a pirate who wandered into highsec....

Having negative sec status is a consequence of not having the balls to fight in 0.0 and picking easy carebear targets on highsec/lowsec gates .. EVE is all about consequence, sandbox and all.

Stop begging for easy kills and easy access to highsec, coming from a veteran player its worse than pathetic.

With my idea, "Pirates will be just as safe as my gank victim was"

False statement. With my idea - If a non-outlaw sits outside a station, nobody can touch him without Concord getting involved. If an outlaw sits outside a station, ANYbody can attack him (and pod him) freely.

Under Crimewatch, neutral RR = suspect flag, so neutral reps are taking a large nerf in Crimewatch as well.

And you are right - The navy is useless at stopping suicide ganking.

The problem? They are only effective at stopping 'consensual' fights between outlaws and highsec vigilantes.